ChaoticMusings

Date: Aug 1 7:22 PM, 2023

RE: Who's "moderating" Facebook.

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
… oh wow …
Believe me, I‘m never averse to seeing fault on both sides! Fwiw, even though I saw Joe Biden as the right president at the right time, and even though he’s had a record-breaking first 2 years (against all the obstacles flung at him), I think he’s wrong to be running again. Also, the shrieking Dem progressives are every bit as irritating and counter-productive as the MAGA extremist nutjobs in your halls of congress. All of them are a complete waste of taxpayer dollars, imv.
This is the kind of discussion probably best had over a beer, one-on-one. Seeing the whites of someone’s eyes and actually listening to what they’re trying to say, is way better than just seeing the written word.
But there’s no pretzel-bending going on here, MD, and I stand by what I’ve said. Agree, don’t agree…your prerogative

This isn't about Trump, or about about Biden running again..

It's not about progressive Dems or MAGA extremists..

It's about emails and external pressure from this current administration, and it's alphabet agencies leaning on social media companies to pull down posts, including silly memes, and subsequent court rulings needed to stop this egregious practice..

You haven't discussed that all and simply talked about the people who have revealed these practices.

They don't matter unless you have some evidence suggesting these internal emails are fake.

Date: Aug 2 2:04 PM, 2023

“ It's about emails and external pressure from this current administration, and it's alphabet agencies leaning on social media companies to pull down posts, including silly memes, and subsequent court rulings needed to stop this egregious practice..”

I don‘t see where I’ve disagreed with that. Indiscriminate censorship by whatever administration that happens to be in power, is wrong, as I’ve said earlier.

Publicly lying to people, or publishing memes/jokes on sensitive issues, is not illegal and should not be censored, especially by ‘big government’…..unless those lies/disinfo hit the wall of criminality/reckless endangerment, carried out on the basis of those lies. I believe there have to be certain limits/guardrails in place in those instances.

Maybe I’m not expressing myself well enough, but I don’t know how much clearer I can be

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this, MD. Have a great day

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
“ It's about emails and external pressure from this current administration, and it's alphabet agencies leaning on social media companies to pull down posts, including silly memes, and subsequent court rulings needed to stop this egregious practice..”

I don‘t see where I’ve disagreed with that. Indiscriminate censorship by whatever administration that happens to be in power, is wrong, as I’ve said earlier.
Publicly lying to people, or publishing memes/jokes on sensitive issues, is not illegal and should not be censored, especially by ‘big government’…..unless those lies/disinfo hit the wall of criminality/reckless endangerment, carried out on the basis of those lies. I believe there have to be certain limits/guardrails in place in those instances.
Maybe I’m not expressing myself well enough, but I don’t know how much clearer I can be
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this, MD. Have a great day

We have ways of legally dealing with speech that isn't protected.

That wasn't done. What was done is an abuse of power, which is why the judicial branch had to intervene on the executive branch to reign them in.

And that is true regardless of who's mouth it comes out of.

Date: Aug 3 10:54 AM, 2023

(apologies to Syl/Diggs - my last post In this thread. Promise!)

“We have ways of legally dealing with speech that isn't protected.….That wasn’t done”

I hear you, and I absolutely have to respect the fact that I’m not American so, of course, you would know better.

But, like countless people the world over, I’ve been watching in amazement (and even sadness) everything that’s been happening and evolving over there, ever since that psychotic scamming fucker made his grand entrance down that ‘gold’ escalator.

The divisiveness and polarisation that has evolved since that time seems to now be off the Richter scale! Speaking of ‘censorship’, it seems folks are too scared to even put a political yard sign up, in case their families are harassed or their homes get peppered with bullets.

No political party is ever perfect, and most politicians are conniving liars and charlatans - that’s a tale as old as time. I guess time will tell which lesser of two evils you guys want to go with moving forward. I wish you well…

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
(apologies to Syl/Diggs - my last post In this thread. Promise!)

“We have ways of legally dealing with speech that isn't protected.….That wasn’t done”

I hear you, and I absolutely have to respect the fact that I’m not American so, of course, you would know better.
But, like countless people the world over, I’ve been watching in amazement (and even sadness) everything that’s been happening and evolving over there, ever since that psychotic scamming fucker made his grand entrance down that ‘gold’ escalator.
The divisiveness and polarisation that has evolved since that time seems to now be off the Richter scale! Speaking of ‘censorship’, it seems folks are too scared to even put a political yard sign up, in case their families are harassed or their homes get peppered with bullets.
No political party is ever perfect, and most politicians are conniving liars and charlatans - that’s a tale as old as time. I guess time will tell which lesser of two evils you guys want to go with moving forward. I wish you well…

The topic is the internal emails at Facebook about outside pressure from our government in an attempt to control speech.

It's not a comparison of parties or candidates.