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Diana's Death

Digger · Admin

Magica wrote:
That was convenient amnesia. I'll always remember his parents as they were going into the hospital saying, we will find out what happened or words to that affect. Came out said his got amnesia. How convenient. How comes they didn't know that before the visit. He was told to say that.

Paul Henri was three and a half times the legal limit when that car crashed, so it's very feasible a tiny clip by the Fiat would send him out of control especially at those speeds.

There are three primary types of memory loss: anterograde amnesia, post-traumatic amnesia, and retrograde amnesia. Retrograde amnesia occurs when victims lose memories that were formed just before a car accident and it can be permanent if the injuries are severe. The bodyguard was so badly injured they had to rebuild his face using photos and he had 150 pieces of titanium holding his skull together. He was in a coma for ten days. He didn't just have bump on the head!

Diana's heart had been wrenched over to the right side of her ribcage which tore her pulmonary vein . An injury that the pathologist who worked on the inquest stated wouldn't have happened had she worn a seatbelt.. So, that night was a perfect storm of events that caused the deaths. Being hounded by the paps. A drunk driver on meds. No seat belts. Speeding. A clip with another car. A flashing light that was probably a camera from the motorcyclist.

Who's to blame? Ultimately, the driver for being drunk, on meds and going too fast. If he'd being doing 30 miles an hour there's no way he'd have lost control, and certainly no way they'd have all died.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
That was convenient amnesia. I'll always remember his parents as they were going into the hospital saying, we will find out what happened or words to that affect. Came out said his got amnesia. How convenient. How comes they didn't know that before the visit. He was told to say that.
Paul Henri was three and a half times the legal limit when that car crashed, so it's very feasible a tiny clip by the Fiat would send him out of control especially at those speeds.
There are three primary types of memory loss: anterograde amnesia, post-traumatic amnesia, and retrograde amnesia. Retrograde amnesia occurs when victims lose memories that were formed just before a car accident and it can be permanent if the injuries are severe. The bodyguard was so badly injured they had to rebuild his face using photos and he had 150 pieces of titanium holding his skull together. He was in a coma for ten days. He didn't just have bump on the head!
Diana's heart had been wrenched over to the right side of her ribcage which tore her pulmonary vein . An injury that the pathologist who worked on the inquest stated wouldn't have happened had she worn a seatbelt.. So, that night was a perfect storm of events that caused the deaths. Being hounded by the paps. A drunk driver on meds. No seat belts. Speeding. A clip with another car. A flashing light that was probably a camera from the motorcyclist.
Who's to blame? Ultimately, the driver for being drunk, on meds and going too fast. If he'd being doing 30 miles an hour there's no way he'd have lost control, and certainly no way they'd have all died.

There were questions about whether the samples taken from Henri Paul were tampered with.

"Blood samples taken from dead chauffeur Henri Paul showed "mysteriously" high levels of carbon monoxide, the Diana inquest heard.

The percentage of toxins in his system was so abnormally excessive that the Frenchman should have been suffering symptoms including severe headaches and nausea, the High Court was told."

Richard Keen QC, the barrister representing Henri Paul's parents, suggested that the samples had been "spiked" in an attempt to "post humously murder" the Frenchman's reputation and portray him as unfit and a drunk.

Toxicologist Professor Robert Forrest, who has already suggested that Mr Paul may have drunk up to eight glasses of strong spirits in the hours before the crash, leaving him twice the UK legal drink drive limit, admitted that he could not find any logical explanation for the findings.

"One is left with either analytical error or a mystery," he told the jury.

"It's either conspiracy or cock-up."

Diana Inquest: Chauffeur Henri Paul had 'mysteriously high' carbon monoxide levels before crash | Daily Mail Online

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
That was convenient amnesia. I'll always remember his parents as they were going into the hospital saying, we will find out what happened or words to that affect. Came out said his got amnesia. How convenient. How comes they didn't know that before the visit. He was told to say that.
Paul Henri was three and a half times the legal limit when that car crashed, so it's very feasible a tiny clip by the Fiat would send him out of control especially at those speeds.
There are three primary types of memory loss: anterograde amnesia, post-traumatic amnesia, and retrograde amnesia. Retrograde amnesia occurs when victims lose memories that were formed just before a car accident and it can be permanent if the injuries are severe. The bodyguard was so badly injured they had to rebuild his face using photos and he had 150 pieces of titanium holding his skull together. He was in a coma for ten days. He didn't just have bump on the head!
Diana's heart had been wrenched over to the right side of her ribcage which tore her pulmonary vein . An injury that the pathologist who worked on the inquest stated wouldn't have happened had she worn a seatbelt.. So, that night was a perfect storm of events that caused the deaths. Being hounded by the paps. A drunk driver on meds. No seat belts. Speeding. A clip with another car. A flashing light that was probably a camera from the motorcyclist.
Who's to blame? Ultimately, the driver for being drunk, on meds and going too fast. If he'd being doing 30 miles an hour there's no way he'd have lost control, and certainly no way they'd have all died.
There were questions about whether the samples taken from Henri Paul were tampered with.

"Blood samples taken from dead chauffeur Henri Paul showed "mysteriously" high levels of carbon monoxide, the Diana inquest heard.

The percentage of toxins in his system was so abnormally excessive that the Frenchman should have been suffering symptoms including severe headaches and nausea, the High Court was told."
Richard Keen QC, the barrister representing Henri Paul's parents, suggested that the samples had been "spiked" in an attempt to "post humously murder" the Frenchman's reputation and portray him as unfit and a drunk.
Toxicologist Professor Robert Forrest, who has already suggested that Mr Paul may have drunk up to eight glasses of strong spirits in the hours before the crash, leaving him twice the UK legal drink drive limit, admitted that he could not find any logical explanation for the findings.
"One is left with either analytical error or a mystery," he told the jury.
"It's either conspiracy or cock-up."

Diana Inquest: Chauffeur Henri Paul had 'mysteriously high' carbon monoxide levels before crash | Daily Mail Online

So, if he wasn't drunk, then he was speeding. That's still what killed them.

Magica · Go Outside

Not sure if he was drunk or a coverup. Easy to blame him.

We don't know the half of it, but I do think she was murdered tbh. Just my opinion.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Not sure if he was drunk or a coverup. Easy to blame him.

We don't know the half of it, but I do think she was murdered tbh. Just my opinion.

I agree. There were too many cover-ups, too many excuses made. Police and forensics swapping and changing opinions.

I know the French police have a reputation for being bungling idiots, but when a Dr first on the scene was not called to give evidence till a 2nd investigation was held, one has to wonder why?

Both French and British police have held investigations, then an inquest lasting months, interviewing hundreds of people was carried out....yet still, a small car which was at the heart of the crash, has never been found.

Pity the CCTV in the tunnel was turned off, pity the bodyguard has amnesia, pity the car wasn't found, pity the toxins in the drivers system were unexplainable to the experts, pity the photographers who were at the scene have been silenced.

If all this had happened in an ordinary RTA there would be questions, when it happened with the most famous woman in the world...who incidentally was convinced she would be killed in an accident like this, no wonder people have doubts.

Date: Sep 10 12:31 PM, 2023

I have just read everything in this thread. I heard there exists conspiracy theories but assumed the Driver lost control of the car while being chased by the paparazzi. The driver and Dodi died more or less immediately and Diana died shortly afterwards but was alive when the medics first got to her. The bodyguard survived.

That the bodyguard has no memory of the event is not surprising because memory is first stored in short term memory and later transferred to long term memory, a process that takes several hours. Being knocked unconscious and remaining unconscious for sometime would result in loss of short term memory before it was transferred to long term memory.

So to determine what happened we need video camera, interviews with the paparazzi and witnesses (pedestrians, drivers). Have the paparazzi involved been identified and interviewed? There was apparently a mob of them outside the Hotel so they should have been easily identified and subsequently interviewed.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

According to the Dr who was passing through the tunnel who first went to help, he had no idea who the people in the car were.
He saw two were dead, the third man, who was bodyguard Trevor Rees-Jones, was conscious and screaming.

He told the inquest..."She was alive ,she was moaning, she was breathing, but she was really weak. I would say unconscious and weak." He said afterwards he thought she would have survived, but obviously, he couldn't see her internal injuries.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/nov/13/monarchy

jackthelad · Musing at the Chaos

Anonymous wrote:
I have just read everything in this thread.   I heard there exists conspiracy theories but assumed the Driver lost control of the car while being chased by the paparazzi.   The driver and Dodi died more or less immediately and Diana died shortly afterwards but was alive when the medics first got to her.   The bodyguard survived.
That the bodyguard has no memory of the event is not surprising because memory is first stored in short term memory and later transferred to long term memory, a process that takes several hours.   Being knocked unconscious and remaining unconscious for sometime would result in loss of short term memory before it was transferred to long term memory.
So to determine what happened we need video camera, interviews with the paparazzi and witnesses (pedestrians, drivers).   Have the paparazzi involved been identified and interviewed?   There was apparently a mob of them outside the Hotel so they should have been easily identified and subsequently interviewed.

Well put good points Syl.

A British judge in a crown court would possibly stop this had there been a trial.

He would have demanded some kind of clarity and complained loudly about what appeared to be a set up. A

British judge would be very unlikely to allow the ever changing stories and what clearly appears to be perjury and contempt.

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Not sure if he was drunk or a coverup. Easy to blame him.

We don't know the half of it, but I do think she was murdered tbh. Just my opinion.
I agree. There were too many cover-ups, too many excuses made. Police and forensics swapping and changing opinions.
I know the French police have a reputation for being bungling idiots, but when a Dr first on the scene was not called to give evidence till a 2nd investigation was held, one has to wonder why?
Both French and British police have held investigations, then an inquest lasting months, interviewing hundreds of people was carried out....yet still, a small car which was at the heart of the crash, has never been found.
Pity the CCTV in the tunnel was turned off, pity the bodyguard has amnesia, pity the car wasn't found, pity the toxins in the drivers system were unexplainable to the experts, pity the photographers who were at the scene have been silenced.
If all this had happened in an ordinary RTA there would be questions, when it happened with the most famous woman in the world...who incidentally was convinced she would be killed in an accident like this, no wonder people have doubts.

It was found.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Not sure if he was drunk or a coverup. Easy to blame him.

We don't know the half of it, but I do think she was murdered tbh. Just my opinion.
I agree. There were too many cover-ups, too many excuses made. Police and forensics swapping and changing opinions.
I know the French police have a reputation for being bungling idiots, but when a Dr first on the scene was not called to give evidence till a 2nd investigation was held, one has to wonder why?
Both French and British police have held investigations, then an inquest lasting months, interviewing hundreds of people was carried out....yet still, a small car which was at the heart of the crash, has never been found.
Pity the CCTV in the tunnel was turned off, pity the bodyguard has amnesia, pity the car wasn't found, pity the toxins in the drivers system were unexplainable to the experts, pity the photographers who were at the scene have been silenced.
If all this had happened in an ordinary RTA there would be questions, when it happened with the most famous woman in the world...who incidentally was convinced she would be killed in an accident like this, no wonder people have doubts.
It was found.
No it wasn't.

29th August 2022....
"Failing to track down a white Fiat Uno that may have been in the tunnel on the night that Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in a car crash is a lasting “frustration” of the French inquiry into her death, investigators have said."

Not finding white Fiat Uno a ‘frustration’, say Diana crash investigators | The Independent

SF · Getting Gobby

It was found Syl. It’s now in a museum.

Maddog · Go Outside

I don't know why y'all won't listen to me. I've made it quite clear,.she's not dead. Her and Dodi are living a peaceful life, on an island with their brownish children..

Maddog · Go Outside

Or, there is a secret group (Knights Templar?), operating outside of the control of your royal family, PM and parliament, killing members of the royal family who misbehave.

Have they killed anyone else? Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Jim Morrison?

Sure was earlier to keep up when the royals and wives of the royals had their heads lopped off in public..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

SF wrote:
It was found Syl. It’s now in a museum.

"Failing to track down a white Fiat Uno that may have been in the tunnel on the night that Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in a car crash is a lasting “frustration” of the French inquiry into her death, investigators have said."

Is the one in the museum next to the unicorn and the Yeti skeletons?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Or, there is a secret group (Knights Templar?), operating outside of the control of your royal family, PM and parliament, killing members of the royal family who misbehave.

Have they killed anyone else? Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Jim Morrison?

Sure was earlier to keep up when the royals and wives of the royals had their heads lopped off in public..

Ahhh...poor Marilyn.

Was it a simple overdose, or was she another lovely lady who knew too much??

SF · Getting Gobby

Syl wrote:
SF wrote:
It was found Syl. It’s now in a museum.
"Failing to track down a white Fiat Uno that may have been in the tunnel on the night that Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in a car crash is a lasting “frustration” of the French inquiry into her death, investigators have said."

Is the one in the museum next to the unicorn and the Yeti skeletons?

Now you’re being silly. It’s in the Louvre, we saw it last spring. Beautiful.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Or, there is a secret group (Knights Templar?), operating outside of the control of your royal family, PM and parliament, killing members of the royal family who misbehave.

Have they killed anyone else? Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Jim Morrison?

Sure was earlier to keep up when the royals and wives of the royals had their heads lopped off in public..
Ahhh...poor Marilyn.
Was it a simple overdose, or was she another lovely lady who knew too much??

Another one bumped off to shut her up about the Kennedys. She was having an affair with both. They say Robert Kennedy was involved, who knows.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Or, there is a secret group (Knights Templar?), operating outside of the control of your royal family, PM and parliament, killing members of the royal family who misbehave.

Have they killed anyone else? Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Jim Morrison?

Sure was earlier to keep up when the royals and wives of the royals had their heads lopped off in public..
Ahhh...poor Marilyn.
Was it a simple overdose, or was she another lovely lady who knew too much??
Another one bumped off to shut her up about the Kennedys. She was having an affair with both. They say Robert Kennedy was involved, who knows.

Men use these women, then when they realise they are not simply dumb playthings, they get scared and get rid.

It's as old as civilisation....pity so many people put it down to conspiracy theories.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Or, there is a secret group (Knights Templar?), operating outside of the control of your royal family, PM and parliament, killing members of the royal family who misbehave.

Have they killed anyone else? Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, Jim Morrison?

Sure was earlier to keep up when the royals and wives of the royals had their heads lopped off in public..
Ahhh...poor Marilyn.
Was it a simple overdose, or was she another lovely lady who knew too much??
Another one bumped off to shut her up about the Kennedys. She was having an affair with both. They say Robert Kennedy was involved, who knows.
Men use these women, then when they realise they are not simply dumb playthings, they get scared and get rid.
It's as old as civilisation....pity so many people put it down to conspiracy theories.

True Syl. Her death treated as overdose. Funny though Joe DiMaggio loved her so much having flowers delivered to her grave, every week of his life.. (I think it was weekly)