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Digger · Admin

The end of Europe?

Date: Oct 15 5:23 PM, 2023

Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:

This I find really disturbing.
Me too. There's more of them than us!
At the moment there isn't more of them. But they have a completely different mindset and values and this proves that they will always stick together against anyone not muslim when push comes to shove. It's a very sad, very disturbing fact that a lot of people just won't admit or believe. They believe that we can all live cheek by jowl quite happily and there'll be peace and no differences and acceptance, blah blah. But there won't. Mark my words there will be a civil war in this country one day and all our British values, lifestyles etc will be seriously challenged by this lot.

-- Edited by Digger on Sunday 15th of October 2023 05:19:07 PM

People wanting the civilians in Gaza to be safe, just like people on this thread have said they want, are now a challenge to British values?

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:

This I find really disturbing.

I've seen some reports about this.

We have had similar events. Difference is about 15 people show up.

We have our asshole immigrants no doubt, and many are sympathetic to things happening in "the old country", but most understand why they left. Especially those that actually lived there. Sometimes their kids and their kids can be dummies, but 1st generation Americans are often the best. They have seen the alternative.

Maddog · Go Outside

I also want to add that I live in Texas, so we get a breed of immigrant that has made a choice to live here, not New York or San Francisco.

They understand our culture, which some may find backwards, but seems pretty damn popular with most folks except woke, white progressives.

Our hardworking, brown normal folks seem to embrace it.

Date: Oct 15 5:43 PM, 2023

Digger wrote:
And all that with a British man arrested by police for waving the Union Jack.

"A man accused of making racist comments at a pro-Palestine march in London has been charged, the Met Police has said.

The 67-year-old was charged with intentionally causing racially aggravated harassment, alarm or distress after being arrested on Saturday.

The Met said on X, formerly Twitter: "The man was arrested after shouting racial abuse at those gathered in Whitehall and making similar racist comments to an officer who spoke with him.

"The man was in possession of a UK flag.

"This was in no way the reason for his arrest and forms no part of the charges against him."

Maddog · Go Outside

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
And all that with a British man arrested by police for waving the Union Jack.
"A man accused of making racist comments at a pro-Palestine march in London has been charged, the Met Police has said.
The 67-year-old was charged with intentionally causing racially aggravated harassment, alarm or distress after being arrested on Saturday.

The Met said on X, formerly Twitter: "The man was arrested after shouting racial abuse at those gathered in Whitehall and making similar racist comments to an officer who spoke with him.
"The man was in possession of a UK flag.
"This was in no way the reason for his arrest and forms no part of the charges against him."

Arrested over words?

😳

Date: Oct 15 6:54 PM, 2023

Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
And all that with a British man arrested by police for waving the Union Jack.
"A man accused of making racist comments at a pro-Palestine march in London has been charged, the Met Police has said.
The 67-year-old was charged with intentionally causing racially aggravated harassment, alarm or distress after being arrested on Saturday.

The Met said on X, formerly Twitter: "The man was arrested after shouting racial abuse at those gathered in Whitehall and making similar racist comments to an officer who spoke with him.
"The man was in possession of a UK flag.
"This was in no way the reason for his arrest and forms no part of the charges against him."
Arrested over words?

😳

We have over here a Public Order Act, Section 4A is committed "when a person uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour. Whether words or behaviour are threatening, abusive or insulting will depend on the facts of the case." The offence can also be 'racially aggravated'. _Sounds like there's no equivalent where you live?

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
And all that with a British man arrested by police for waving the Union Jack.
"A man accused of making racist comments at a pro-Palestine march in London has been charged, the Met Police has said.
The 67-year-old was charged with intentionally causing racially aggravated harassment, alarm or distress after being arrested on Saturday.

The Met said on X, formerly Twitter: "The man was arrested after shouting racial abuse at those gathered in Whitehall and making similar racist comments to an officer who spoke with him.
"The man was in possession of a UK flag.
"This was in no way the reason for his arrest and forms no part of the charges against him."
Arrested over words?

😳
We have over here a Public Order Act, Section 4A is committed "when a person uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour. Whether words or behaviour are threatening, abusive or insulting will depend on the facts of the case." The offence can also be 'racially aggravated'. _Sounds like there's no equivalent where you live?

Not really.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:

This I find really disturbing.
Me too. There's more of them than us!
At the moment there isn't more of them. But they have a completely different mindset and values and this proves that they will always stick together against anyone not muslim when push comes to shove. It's a very sad, very disturbing fact that a lot of people just won't admit or believe. They believe that we can all live cheek by jowl quite happily and there'll be peace and no differences and acceptance, blah blah. But there won't. Mark my words there will be a civil war in this country one day and all our British values, lifestyles etc will be seriously challenged by this lot.

-- Edited by Digger on Sunday 15th of October 2023 05:19:07 PM

People wanting the civilians in Gaza to be safe, just like people on this thread have said they want, are now a challenge to British values?

There are other ways to do this. At the moment, the protests are peaceful, but we've already had some poor Jewish man threatened with beheading and shops attacked. AntiSematism has soared 300 percent.

Date: Oct 15 9:52 PM, 2023

The end of Europe and possibly the world due to what is happening with the genocide in Gaza which seriously threatening the advent of WW3. Israel has also bombed Syria and Lebanon. That and the war in the Ukraine.

It's astonishing that the west is so complicit towards the new holocaust and commited by the the victims of the last one beggars belief. The authodox jews speak out against as it has nothing to do with Judaism and they get attacked by the Zionist jews.

It's terryfying the direction of world history. It's the far right ideology.

jackthelad · Musing at the Chaos

Digger · Admin

This perhaps give some balance of this whole terrible situation.

20 per cent of the population of Israel are Palestinian Arabs. They enjoy full legal rights, including the right to vote, though they are exempt from having to serve in the Israeli Defence Force. Nonetheless, a small minority does.

Gaza in particular is the subject of much misinformation. You would infer from what the demonstrators say — and from what the BBC sometimes implies — that Hamas are the blameless victims of Israeli aggression. The opposite is much closer to the truth.

At the end of the Arab-Israeli war in 1949, the tiny strip of land that is Gaza came under the sway of Egypt. After its victory in the 1967 Six Day War, Israel occupied it.

But in 2005 it withdrew from Gaza, much to the fury of some Right-wing Israelis. Twenty-one Israeli settlements were dismantled, with some settlers literally being dragged from their houses by their own soldiers and police.

Then, in 2006, there were elections in Gaza. Hamas narrowly won over the more moderate Fatah, which it then eliminated. Hamas didn't — and doesn't — recognise the right of Israel to exist.

Why should Israel hand back land in the West Bank if there is a danger that it would be immediately attacked by the new Palestinian rulers?

-- Edited by Digger on Monday 16th of October 2023 09:27:06 AM

Date: Oct 16 11:00 AM, 2023

Digger wrote:
This perhaps give some balance of this whole terrible situation.

20 per cent of the population of Israel are Palestinian Arabs. They enjoy full legal rights, including the right to vote, though they are exempt from having to serve in the Israeli Defence Force. Nonetheless, a small minority does.
Gaza in particular is the subject of much misinformation. You would infer from what the demonstrators say — and from what the BBC sometimes implies — that Hamas are the blameless victims of Israeli aggression. The opposite is much closer to the truth.
At the end of the Arab-Israeli war in 1949, the tiny strip of land that is Gaza came under the sway of Egypt. After its victory in the 1967 Six Day War, Israel occupied it.
But in 2005 it withdrew from Gaza, much to the fury of some Right-wing Israelis. Twenty-one Israeli settlements were dismantled, with some settlers literally being dragged from their houses by their own soldiers and police.
Then, in 2006, there were elections in Gaza. Hamas narrowly won over the more moderate Fatah, which it then eliminated. Hamas didn't — and doesn't — recognise the right of Israel to exist.

Why should Israel hand back land in the West Bank if there is a danger that it would be immediately attacked by the new Palestinian rulers?

-- Edited by Digger on Monday 16th of October 2023 09:27:06 AM

Someone posted this on Dogs, I hope they don't mind me putting it on here. It's a ten minute watch, but it takes in the history of things, from biblical times to the present day. Worth watching if anyone's after an 'explainer' as to how the current situation came about

Rory Stewart Attempts to Explain the History of Israel-Palestine in 10 Minutes

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

The UN don't agree with the way Israel are attacking.

What I wonder would the correct response have been after the Hamas attack?
I have no idea...it's hard to negotiate with terrorists who have their own agenda.

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
The UN don't agree with the way Israel are attacking.

What I wonder would the correct response have been after the Hamas attack?
I have no idea...it's hard to negotiate with terrorists who have their own agenda.

It's coming out little by little what Hamas have really done to their victims. There's photos of bodies welded together as they hugged each other as they burned. Ghastly stuff. Multiple rapes. People with hands and feet chopped off. Around 1,300 bodies were brought to an army base in Ramla in central Israel where forensic checks to determine the identity of the dead and the circumstances of their death are being carried out by specialist teams. They were killed by Hamas terrorists on October 7.

Can Israel allow Hamas to continue to do this? Or do they wipe them out? If this was happening in our country how would you expect our Government to respond? How would you respond?

Negotiations might be the way to go if Hamas would be open to that, but you can bet they aren't. They want the Nation of Israel annihilated and wiped off the map.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
The UN don't agree with the way Israel are attacking.

What I wonder would the correct response have been after the Hamas attack?
I have no idea...it's hard to negotiate with terrorists who have their own agenda.
It's coming out little by little what Hamas have really done to their victims. There's photos of bodies welded together as they hugged each other as they burned. Ghastly stuff. Multiple rapes. People with hands and feet chopped off. Around 1,300 bodies were brought to an army base in Ramla in central Israel where forensic checks to determine the identity of the dead and the circumstances of their death are being carried out by specialist teams.  They were killed by Hamas terrorists on October 7.
Can Israel allow Hamas to continue to do this? Or do they wipe them out? If this was happening in our country how would you expect our Government to respond? How would you respond?
Negotiations might be the way to go if Hamas would be open to that, but you can bet they aren't. They want the Nation of Israel annihilated and wiped off the map.

In an ideal world, all wars would be settled by negotiation, but how can you negotiate with an enemy that wants to wipe you and your people out?

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
The end of Europe and possibly the world due to what is happening with the genocide in Gaza which seriously threatening the advent of WW3. Israel has also bombed Syria and Lebanon. That and the war in the Ukraine.

It's astonishing that the west is so complicit towards the new holocaust and commited by the the victims of the last one beggars belief. The authodox jews speak out against as it has nothing to do with Judaism and they get attacked by the Zionist jews.

It's terryfying the direction of world history. It's the far right ideology.

Has Israel ever bombed anyone thar hasn't bombed them?

You may disagree with their level of retaliation, but it is retaliation not instigation. That's an important difference.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
The UN don't agree with the way Israel are attacking.

What I wonder would the correct response have been after the Hamas attack?
I have no idea...it's hard to negotiate with terrorists who have their own agenda.
It's coming out little by little what Hamas have really done to their victims. There's photos of bodies welded together as they hugged each other as they burned. Ghastly stuff. Multiple rapes. People with hands and feet chopped off. Around 1,300 bodies were brought to an army base in Ramla in central Israel where forensic checks to determine the identity of the dead and the circumstances of their death are being carried out by specialist teams.  They were killed by Hamas terrorists on October 7.
Can Israel allow Hamas to continue to do this? Or do they wipe them out? If this was happening in our country how would you expect our Government to respond? How would you respond?
Negotiations might be the way to go if Hamas would be open to that, but you can bet they aren't. They want the Nation of Israel annihilated and wiped off the map.
In an ideal world, all wars would be settled by negotiation, but how can you negotiate with an enemy that wants to wipe you and your people out?

Article 13 of the Hamas covenant..

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The end of Europe and possibly the world due to what is happening with the genocide in Gaza which seriously threatening the advent of WW3. Israel has also bombed Syria and Lebanon. That and the war in the Ukraine.

It's astonishing that the west is so complicit towards the new holocaust and commited by the the victims of the last one beggars belief. The authodox jews speak out against as it has nothing to do with Judaism and they get attacked by the Zionist jews.

It's terryfying the direction of world history. It's the far right ideology.
Has Israel ever bombed anyone thar hasn't bombed them?

You may disagree with their level of retaliation, but it is retaliation not instigation. That's an important difference.

I don't think they have.

This is journalist, David Atherton's take on it.

In 1972 I switched on the Munich Olympics, expecting to see a plucky Brit just out of the medals. Instead I saw Black September Palestinian terrorists at the start of their massacre of 12 Israeli athletes. This included weightlifter Yossef Romano, who was castrated & his testicles stuffed in his mouth. In 1973 Thames TV produced The World At War, a 26 part history of WW2. Episode 20 was "Genocide (1941–1945)" the story of the murder of 6 million Jews & others. Throughout the 1960s & 1970s Palestinian terrorism was ubiquitous. In 1967 during the Six Day War Israel faced Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, with minor involvement from Lebanon & Pakistan. The Yom Kippur War of 1973 saw Egypt & Syria with the support of 10 other countries invaded Israel. They included expeditionary forces from Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Jordan, Iraq, Libya, Kuwait, Tunisia, Morocco, Cuba, & North Korea. Both times the invaders were soundly beaten. Since 1948 Israel, have in my opinion, offered peace terms in good faith with the Palestinians. Twelve times the Palestinians have walked away. One of the worst examples was at the 2000 Camp David negotiations with Yasser Arafat & Bill Clinton. Clinton, blaming Arafat remarked: "I regret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being & pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for a state and a better life will be realized in a just & lasting peace." Today's Palestinian leaders live in literal 5* luxury in Doha, Qatar. They have no interest in peace, only the destruction of Israel & its people. "Free, free Palestine from the river to the sea". It is why the Abraham Accords, began by Donald Trump, where Arab countries normalise relationships with Israel have happened. So far Bahrain, Morocco, Sudan & the United Arab Emirates have agreed. Saudi Arabia, a complete game changer being the home of Islam, was next on the list. It was all too much for the bigots in Iran who incited the violence in Israel. The 1988 Hamas Charter includes the Bukhari Hadith. “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews) when the Jew will hide behind stones & trees. The stones & trees will say: O Muslims ..here is a Jew behind me, come & kill him."