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Digger · Admin

Seven-year-old girl who died in Fort Lauderdale sand hole

Digger · Admin

I remember many years ago this boy went missing. His photo was plastered over every lamp post in town (Southport) and there was a huge hunt for him as the police were convinced he'd been abducted. Decades later they found his skeleton in a sand dune where he'd burrowed a tunnel and it had collapsed feet away from where his family was sitting.

Maddog · Go Outside

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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Utterly heartbreaking.
A day on the beach turning to such a tragedy.

jackthelad · Musing at the Chaos

Lot of sand dunes around N Wales and they are probably all unstable as far as digging into them is concerned I really don't know the technicalities. What I do know is almost weekly in season there are events that are very close to tragedies but luckily people are able to dust themselves down and live to tell an exciting tale.
This must be devastating for the family.

Magica · Go Outside

How sad, poor little girl. Tbh why wasn't the parents watching them. I never took my eyes off mine!

-- Edited by Magica on Thursday 22nd of February 2024 08:54:00 PM

Digger · Admin

Magica wrote:
How sad, poor little girl. Tbh why wasn't the parents watching them. I never took my eyes off mine!

-- Edited by Magica on Thursday 22nd of February 2024 08:54:00 PM

I can't understand how that two year old toddler fell into the river and drowned. Who the hell lets a toddler run along a swollen riverbank? I'm all for putting toddlers on reins.

Magica · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
How sad, poor little girl. Tbh why wasn't the parents watching them. I never took my eyes off mine!

-- Edited by Magica on Thursday 22nd of February 2024 08:54:00 PM
I can't understand how that two year old toddler fell into the river and drowned. Who the hell lets a toddler run along a swollen riverbank? I'm all for putting toddlers on reins.

Yes I agree. Too many littlens running off, and parents let them!

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I agree that toddlers should be watched like a hawk, there are too many parents nowadays more interested in their mobile phones than watching their little ones.

The girl in the OP was seven, and her brother was nine, they were together, playing in the sand, with their parents very close by.
I have done the same with my son and grandkids, some accidents are just that, tragic accidents.

Unless it's a known area for sand holes, I don't think blame can be attached to anyone.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I agree that toddlers should be watched like a hawk, there are too many parents nowadays more interested in their mobile phones than watching their little ones.

The girl in the OP was seven, and her brother was nine, they were together, playing in the sand, with their parents very close by.
I have done the same with my son and grandkids, some accidents are just that, tragic accidents.

Unless it's a known area for sand holes, I don't think blame can be attached to anyone.

Yup.

At that age we were running free without any adult supervision. Kids today are given almost no free time to learn how to cope and handle problems..

It's why so many Gen Z kids today can't handle the simplest of life's problems. They never learned how to .

Date: Feb 24 1:44 PM, 2024

Many children die crossing the road. Many children die in water. Some die falling out of windows or falling down the stairs. This was unusual and there is an audio of it (which I haven't listened to) and so is deemed reportable in order to gain clicks, views etc for the media.

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Many children die crossing the road. Many children die in water. Some die falling out of windows or falling down the stairs. This was unusual and there is an audio of it (which I haven't listened to) and so is deemed reportable in order to gain clicks, views etc for the media.

Drowning is the number one cause of death for kids under 4 in the US.

Heart disease is the biggest killer of their grandparents..

Based on all the things we fear and freak out about, you'd never know these two facts, which are fairly preventable.

My granddaughters are almost 3 and can swim well enough to stay above water.

Their grandfather goes to the gym, cycles, hikes and eats a much healthier than average diet..

I'm not sure where I'm going with this except that we often don't use statistical probability when determining risk to ourselves and our loved ones..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Life is full of risks, we can protect our kids without stifling them, we can try to protect ourselves too....but a life without risks must be pretty boring for many.

In any case, we can live life treading on eggshells, and still get hit by a bus the next time we go out.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Life is full of risks, we can protect our kids without stifling them, we can try to protect ourselves too....but a life without risks must be pretty boring for many.

In any case, we can live life treading on eggshells, and still get hit by a bus the next time we go out.

My point was that risk is a mathematical formula, not emotional.

It's hard to look at it that way because we are sorta hard wired to let emotions take control.

We just had an 11 year girl in Houston get kidnapped, killed and dumped in a river. This caused the usual freak outs about strangers snatching kids.

In the end, the statistical probability of it being a family member or a friend was the actual result..

So many single moms are worried about some stranger snatching their kid, when they need to be more vigilant about that new guy they are dating..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Dead right.
We do have a law here 'Clare's Law' that gives a person the right to ask police if a new partner has any record of violence.

That wouldn't rule out the 'favourite uncle', but it would lessen the risk of mums new boyfriend hurting either her or her child.

"The Domestic Violence Disclosure Scheme(DVDS), also known as “Clare's Law” enables the police to disclose information to a victim or potential victim of domestic abuse about their partner's or ex-partner's previous abusive or violent offending."

-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 25th of February 2024 12:14:43 PM

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Many children die crossing the road. Many children die in water. Some die falling out of windows or falling down the stairs. This was unusual and there is an audio of it (which I haven't listened to) and so is deemed reportable in order to gain clicks, views etc for the media.
Drowning is the number one cause of death for kids under 4 in the US.

Heart disease is the biggest killer of their grandparents..

Based on all the things we fear and freak out about, you'd never know these two facts, which are fairly preventable.

My granddaughters are almost 3 and can swim well enough to stay above water.

Their grandfather goes to the gym, cycles, hikes and eats a much healthier than average diet..

I'm not sure where I'm going with this except that we often don't use statistical probability when determining risk to ourselves and our loved ones..

The number one cause of death in medieval times was drowning. The reason? Woollen clothing.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Dead right.
We do have a law here 'Clare's Law' that gives a person the right to ask police if a new partner has any record of violence.

That wouldn't rule out the 'favourite uncle', but it would lessen the risk of mums new boyfriend hurting either her or her child.

"The Domestic Violence Disclosure Scheme(DVDS), also known as “Clare's Law” enables the police to disclose information to a victim or potential victim of domestic abuse about their partner's or ex-partner's previous abusive or violent offending."

-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 25th of February 2024 12:14:43 PM

We don't even have to ask the police of it involves kids.

The guy that did this in Houston had a record of crimes with kids..

A 30 second search would have revealed this, yet the family of the girl let him live on their property and actually take her to school some days.

They will live with their fucking stupidity the rest of their lives..

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Many children die crossing the road. Many children die in water. Some die falling out of windows or falling down the stairs. This was unusual and there is an audio of it (which I haven't listened to) and so is deemed reportable in order to gain clicks, views etc for the media.
Drowning is the number one cause of death for kids under 4 in the US.

Heart disease is the biggest killer of their grandparents..

Based on all the things we fear and freak out about, you'd never know these two facts, which are fairly preventable.

My granddaughters are almost 3 and can swim well enough to stay above water.

Their grandfather goes to the gym, cycles, hikes and eats a much healthier than average diet..

I'm not sure where I'm going with this except that we often don't use statistical probability when determining risk to ourselves and our loved ones..
The number one cause of death in medieval times was drowning. The reason? Woollen clothing.

I can see that. I have swam with my clothes when I was in scouts. It was part of a survival test we took before a week long canoe trip.

It's harder than you think, especially with shoes on..

And I didn't have on multiple layers of heavy clothing.

Date: Feb 26 7:23 PM, 2024

in medieval times I would think that the number one cause of death among children would be disease (small pox, measles, consumption, plague, cholera ...). The average lifespan of humans being in their mid-thirties - many dying young some living into their sixties / seventies. Maybe under the category of accidents it would be drowning.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
in medieval times I would think that the number one cause of death among children would be disease (small pox, measles, consumption, plague, cholera ...). The average lifespan of humans being in their mid-thirties - many dying young some living into their sixties / seventies. Maybe under the category of accidents it would be drowning.

Yes, I'm sure it was accidental deaths rather than overall deaths.