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Maddog · Go Outside

RE: Eating and drinking.

Maddog · Go Outside

Vita wrote:
jackb wrote:
I think the best oil for frying is coconut oil and if you get quality extra virgin it's great for roast tatties in fact roast anything but a bit to pricey for a chip pan.
High smoke point.
No it doesn't taste of coconut.
Don't own a chip pan, Jack.
Most of my food like the tattie slices are done in the oven.
I'm trying to get my dad to eat better and cut down on his smoking but he's stubborn and says I'm nearly 84'
One of the best things I ever did, stopping smoking.

I wont say I never eat white potatoes, but only when i dont have a choice.

I stay away from things with a high glycemic load. Focus on good protein, lots of fiber, healthy fats, and avoid high glycemic load food as it spikes insulin. That's the problem with processed foods and the western and especially the American diet.

We arent fat because our genetics changed. Our food did.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
Vita wrote:
jackb wrote:
I think the best oil for frying is coconut oil and if you get quality extra virgin it's great for roast tatties in fact roast anything but a bit to pricey for a chip pan.
High smoke point.
No it doesn't taste of coconut.
Don't own a chip pan, Jack.
Most of my food like the tattie slices are done in the oven.
I'm trying to get my dad to eat better and cut down on his smoking but he's stubborn and says I'm nearly 84'
One of the best things I ever did, stopping smoking.

I wont say I never eat white potatoes, but only when i dont have a choice.

I stay away from things with a high glycemic load. Focus on good protein, lots of fiber, healthy fats, and avoid high glycemic load food as it spikes insulin. That's the problem with processed foods and the western and especially the American diet.

We arent fat because our genetics changed. Our food did.

I drink extra virgin olive oil daily.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I love potatoes. They are not bad for you if you eat them sensibly...smother them in butter or creamy sauces and they will be.
I have virgin olive oil on salads...which I can eat as a side dish every day.
The thought of drinking it is pretty revolting imo.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Syl wrote:
I love potatoes. They are not bad for you if you eat them sensibly...smother them in butter or creamy sauces and they will be.
I have virgin olive oil on salads...which I can eat as a side dish every day.
The thought of drinking it is pretty revolting imo.

The oil is fine I have two table spoons forty minutes before anything else.

Smothering potatoes in fat (butter) is actually very healthy.

The fat slows down the conversion into glucose.

A roast potato is healthier than a boiled potato and a lot healthier than a mashed potato!

Mashed is highly processed so causes glucose spikes.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

jackb wrote:
Syl wrote:
I love potatoes. They are not bad for you if you eat them sensibly...smother them in butter or creamy sauces and they will be.
I have virgin olive oil on salads...which I can eat as a side dish every day.
The thought of drinking it is pretty revolting imo.
The oil is fine I have two table spoons forty minutes before anything else.
Smothering potatoes in fat (butter) is actually very healthy.
The fat slows down the conversion into glucose.
A roast potato is healthier than a boiled potato and a lot healthier than a mashed potato!
Mashed is highly processed so causes glucose spikes.

Smothering anything in butter isn't healthy.....it's fattening.

"While high in carbohydrates, potatoes offer a number of nutrients that make it a healthy meal option. Potatoes contain high levels of potassium and vitamin C, along with dietary fiber, especially in the skin. Loading your potato with butter, cheese and high-fat sour cream turns a healthy vegetable into a high-calorie meal. Choosing healthier toppings keeps a baked potato healthier overall."

Date: May 12 7:10 PM, 2024

Syl wrote:
jackb wrote:
The oil is fine I have two table spoons forty minutes before anything else.
Smothering potatoes in fat (butter) is actually very healthy.

Smothering anything in butter isn't healthy.....it's fattening.

"While high in carbohydrates, potatoes offer a number of nutrients that make it a healthy meal option. Potatoes contain high levels of potassium and vitamin C, along with dietary fiber, especially in the skin. Loading your potato with butter, cheese and high-fat sour cream turns a healthy vegetable into a high-calorie meal. Choosing healthier toppings keeps a baked potato healthier overall."

Sounds like because he likes to douse his potatoes in butter he wants to convince himself and anyone who'll listen that it's good for you

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
jackb wrote:
Syl wrote:
I love potatoes. They are not bad for you if you eat them sensibly...smother them in butter or creamy sauces and they will be.
I have virgin olive oil on salads...which I can eat as a side dish every day.
The thought of drinking it is pretty revolting imo.
The oil is fine I have two table spoons forty minutes before anything else.
Smothering potatoes in fat (butter) is actually very healthy.
The fat slows down the conversion into glucose.
A roast potato is healthier than a boiled potato and a lot healthier than a mashed potato!
Mashed is highly processed so causes glucose spikes.
Smothering anything in butter isn't healthy.....it's fattening.

"While high in carbohydrates, potatoes offer a number of nutrients that make it a healthy meal option. Potatoes contain high levels of potassium and vitamin C, along with dietary fiber, especially in the skin. Loading your potato with butter, cheese and high-fat sour cream turns a healthy vegetable into a high-calorie meal. Choosing healthier toppings keeps a baked potato healthier overall."

Butter has 102 calories per 14 grams. Olive oil has 119 calories per 14 grams. Butter contains Vit D, Vit K and Vit A and calcium.

Adding a pat of butter (or any form of fat) to your vegetables helps you absorb fat soluble nutrients.

Butter was demonised in the 80s. We were brainwashed into eating so called healthy substitutes which turned out to be the complete opposite. One of the worst things you can put in your body are trans fats, or trans-fatty acids (TFA), unsaturated fatty acids that come from either industrial or natural sources. More than 278 000 deaths each year globally can be attributed to intake of industrially produced trans fat. Trans fat clogs arteries, increasing the risk of heart attacks and deaths.

Most trans fats are formed through an industrial process that adds hydrogen to vegetable oil, which causes the oil to become solid at room temperature. This partially hydrogenated oil is inexpensive and less likely to spoil, so foods made with it have a longer shelf life. Some restaurants use partially hydrogenated vegetable oil in their deep fryers, because it doesn't have to be changed as often as do other oils.

I wouldn't give margarine or trans fats to my worst enemy.

The British Heart Foundation states that butter has little to no impact on destroying heart health.

I tend to cook with olive oil, but I do eat butter when I want it.

Today I have avocado with a nutty salad and walnuts for my lunch. I love that kind of food. My husband hates it. He's a pie and mash man and drives me nuts with his love of stodge. I'd told him I'm not buying any more cheese until Christmas because he just snaffles the lot.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
jackb wrote:
Syl wrote:
I love potatoes. They are not bad for you if you eat them sensibly...smother them in butter or creamy sauces and they will be.
I have virgin olive oil on salads...which I can eat as a side dish every day.
The thought of drinking it is pretty revolting imo.
The oil is fine I have two table spoons forty minutes before anything else.
Smothering potatoes in fat (butter) is actually very healthy.
The fat slows down the conversion into glucose.
A roast potato is healthier than a boiled potato and a lot healthier than a mashed potato!
Mashed is highly processed so causes glucose spikes.
Smothering anything in butter isn't healthy.....it's fattening.

"While high in carbohydrates, potatoes offer a number of nutrients that make it a healthy meal option. Potatoes contain high levels of potassium and vitamin C, along with dietary fiber, especially in the skin. Loading your potato with butter, cheese and high-fat sour cream turns a healthy vegetable into a high-calorie meal. Choosing healthier toppings keeps a baked potato healthier overall."

If its high in carbs, you should probably swap it out for something that isnt.

If you are very aware of your carb/sugar content of what you eat, a potato isn't the worst thing you could eat.

Most people have no idea what they consume and potatoes are a problem. Same as rice or pasta.

Half of the US is diabetic or pre diabetic. Diabetes causes all sorts of problems. It's not caused by healthy natural fats either.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
jackb wrote:
Syl wrote:
I love potatoes. They are not bad for you if you eat them sensibly...smother them in butter or creamy sauces and they will be.
I have virgin olive oil on salads...which I can eat as a side dish every day.
The thought of drinking it is pretty revolting imo.
The oil is fine I have two table spoons forty minutes before anything else.
Smothering potatoes in fat (butter) is actually very healthy.
The fat slows down the conversion into glucose.
A roast potato is healthier than a boiled potato and a lot healthier than a mashed potato!
Mashed is highly processed so causes glucose spikes.
Smothering anything in butter isn't healthy.....it's fattening.

"While high in carbohydrates, potatoes offer a number of nutrients that make it a healthy meal option. Potatoes contain high levels of potassium and vitamin C, along with dietary fiber, especially in the skin. Loading your potato with butter, cheese and high-fat sour cream turns a healthy vegetable into a high-calorie meal. Choosing healthier toppings keeps a baked potato healthier overall."
If its high in carbs, you should probably swap it out for something that isnt.

If you are very aware of your carb/sugar content of what you eat, a potato isn't the worst thing you could eat.

Most people have no idea what they consume and potatoes are a problem. Same as rice or pasta.

Half of the US is diabetic or pre diabetic. Diabetes causes all sorts of problems. It's not caused by healthy natural fats either.

Similar happening here with the diabetes.

In the 70's

the industrialized processing of food really starts to take off and one of the biggies is the removal of fat from many foods and the bullshit campaigns that fat is bad for you.

Semi skimmed low fat no fat stuff never appears in my house... full fat everything.

We live on lowish carbs raised fat consumption.

Carbs provide energy for your cells so lowering those carbs means your body has to get energy from elsewhere.. that's where the raised fat comes in.

The low fat products almost always replace the missing fats with different sugars thereby making you fat.

The fact these foods are missing their fat means you eat more because you don't get to feel full for very long.

Once your body gets used to getting it's energy from burning fat then your body burns fat much better.

As no fat low fat products appeared so the fatter people became not far behind it.

-- Edited by jackb on Sunday 12th of May 2024 10:23:36 PM

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

It's not always simple and clear cut... I'm T2 but it's almost reversed almost not there.
I eat three dates a day and some people think that's to much sugar surely?
But nope... they are high in sugar but the amount of fibre in them stops the sugar spiking.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Starch turns to glucose hence the problems with spuds rice and pasta but...
If you cook these things then let them cool... in my case they get bagged and frozen...
the cooling causes them to become a resistant starch which is harder for your body to break down meaning slow digestion no sugar spikes.
You can eat them cold or do what I do which is recook them.

Maddog · Go Outside

jackb wrote:
It's not always simple and clear cut... I'm T2 but it's almost reversed almost not there.
I eat three dates a day and some people think that's to much sugar surely?
But nope... they are high in sugar but the amount of fibre in them stops the sugar spiking.

Thats the difference between glycemic index and load.

Watermelon is the same way. It has a high glycemic index but the fiber slows down the absorption of sugar, giving it a low glycemic load.

Fruit juice is kind of the opposite. It has all the sugar from the fruit, but no fiber. Its not healthy at all.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
It's not always simple and clear cut... I'm T2 but it's almost reversed almost not there.
I eat three dates a day and some people think that's to much sugar surely?
But nope... they are high in sugar but the amount of fibre in them stops the sugar spiking.
Thats the difference between glycemic index and load.

Watermelon is the same way. It has a high glycemic index but the fiber slows down the absorption of sugar, giving it a low glycemic load.

Fruit juice is kind of the opposite. It has all the sugar from the fruit, but no fiber. Its not healthy at all.

No I've recently convinced my daughter to stop giving it her kids thinking it's healthy.

If it had all the solids and peel etc it would be a different story.

It's yet another example of how processing a healthy food makes it exactly the opposite!

My diet is the healthiest it's ever been.

Every day I have lemon nuts blueberries sometimes changed for raspberries or strawbs root ginger garlic cinnamon cardamom olive oil cod liver oil vitamin B complex zinc.

I have a couple of apples and a banana a week.

I've just had for supper plain live yoghurt with berries nuts ginger dates cinnamon.

I drink a ton of green tea and to many coffees.

The coffee is when I leave the house I take a large flask with me but I don't have the need to drink coffee at home... something I have to work on.

Plus of course the more average foods like tonight was roast chicken roast spuds mashed carrots and peas with gravy.

My treat this evening is a bounty bar.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Last week I finally got around to getting an air fryer... I'm impressed!

Maddog · Go Outside

Ive switched to Icelandic yogurt called Skyr.

Plain full fat with no added sugars.

I add berries, nuts and seeds to about 1.5 servings and that's a 30 g of protein breakfast.

I think yall measure protein and the like differently.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

I'm a big yoghurt fan!
Always live full fat nothing added.
I do the adding... I even make the yoghurt quite often.

Maddog · Go Outside

jackb wrote:
I'm a big yoghurt fan!
Always live full fat nothing added.
I do the adding... I even make the yoghurt quite often.

I follow this girl (she has a masters in nutrition so she's well educated) and incorporate a lot of her ideas.

She makes her own yogurt too. Doesn't look too hard..

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Here's how easy it is to make yoghurt without any fancy equipment.
Heat a pan of milk to just simmering point then switch off and let cool... I have a thermometer but off the top of my head can't remember the temps but no need.
Cool to warm on your knuckle when dipped in.
Add some live yoghurt from last batch or a shop one.
Gently stir for five seconds you don't need it stirred in.
Place in suitable container made of anything put lid on or cover with paper and elastic band.
Place somewhere warm and leave for 24 hrs and you have yoghurt.
I'm fortunate in I have an old fashioned airing cupboard (hot water tank) which is ideal.
You want it tangy leave a little longer.
Doesn't really get much simpler and it's the freshest you'll ever get.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

I have eaten a heaped teaspoon of honey more or less everyday for years.

Usually on or in breakfast.

Can be bought in chemists in tubes to aid wound healing so it is more than just sugars.

I recently came across this fascinating little video...

If Honey Has Sugar in it, HOW is it So HEALTHY for You?

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