Vicious little beasts!   Children have always been cruel but this takes it to a whole new level

Syl wrote:

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You have to look at the parents.

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 It does begin and end with parenting.   Having said that there's been cases where even the best parents have raised monsters.   I think a big problem these days is kids have no boundaries, no discipline either at home or at school.    Too many kids are allowed to cross into adult ways and mindsets that are not appropriate for them.   While I don't believe kids should be subdued or too much strictness, I do believe that they need to know their place and have respect for elders.    Our current society has jettisoned all that.   Kids rule the roost in most schools.  And at home.  We are breeding a whole generation of narcissistic monsters.   One can only hope they grow out of it by the time they're adults.  But I think that once these behaviour patterns are set, that's almost impossible to do.

Digger wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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You have to look at the parents.

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 It does begin and end with parenting.   Having said that there's been cases where even the best parents have raised monsters.   I think a big problem these days is kids have no boundaries, no discipline either at home or at school.    Too many kids are allowed to cross into adult ways and mindsets that are not appropriate for them.   While I don't believe kids should be subdued or too much strictness, I do believe that they need to know their place and have respect for elders.    Our current society has jettisoned all that.   Kids rule the roost in most schools.  And at home.  We are breeding a whole generation of narcissistic monsters.   One can only hope they grow out of it by the time they're adults.  But I think that once these behaviour patterns are set, that's almost impossible to do.

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 Have you ever watched 'Supernanny'.

Jesus, some of those 3 and 4 year old kids could double for Chucky, especially in America, they have parents that are scared of them.

jackb wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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You have to look at the parents.

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 Not 100% true.

I come from a very respectable trouble free family... then there's me!

I figured out in no time that there was a fiddle to be had on the milk round I had as a kid.

I was soon pocketing a quite hefty amount of money for a child.

Not just taking it because I knew that wouldn't last and it would get me in trouble.

I fiddled the books.

Where did that come from?

I left school left home and had my first flat aged 15.

Next thing I had figured out cannabis dealing then smuggling.

Everything about me was about living outside the rules.

My family continued on as straight dies and do so to this day as do their kids.

My kids have been trouble free career minded.

So I'm the stain on my family not them a stain on me.

I was recently talking about this with one of my sisters and neither of us could figure out why I went the way I did... we were having a good chuckle about it.

We decided some people are simply born a wrong 'un!

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 You should have been a politician.

Digger wrote:

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I despair....

This is the haunting photo of a 12-year-old killer posing with a huge machete tucked into his trousers on the day he hacked teenager Shawn Seesahai to death. 

The masked boy is seen wearing a grey hooded jumper with the black handle of the blade within touching distance of his chin.

The killer menacingly peers down and tucks both of his hands into the waistband of his grey jogging bottoms in the terrifying snap.   

It comes after Snapchat messages after the butchering revealed one of the killers chillingly say: 'It is what it is.' 

The last moments of Mr Seesahai were captured on CCTV footage shows the machete attack victim walking to a park minutes before being murdered by Britain's youngest knife killers.

The youths are believed to be the youngest children convicted for murder since Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, both aged 11, were found guilty in 1993 of killing two-year-old James Bulger.

Mr Seesahai can be seen leaving Handsworth, an inner-city area of Birmingham, with two friends at around 5.30pm, getting onto a tram at Winson Green station.

The group then get off at Priestfield tram stop in Wolverhampton at 6.13pm and begin to make their way towards the park - where they would later bump into the attackers.

At 6.34pm, Mr Seesahai and one friend then leave the park to go to a local petrol station where shop CCTV shows them looking at shelves of food. 

The pair are then spotted heading back to the park for 7.57pm when grainy footage shows them standing in the area until at least 8.15pm. The attack itself is not caught on CCTV.

The stabbing victim's father Suresh told Sky News earlier that parents need to 'pay attention' to stop more senseless murders, adding that 'kids are dangerous now'.

He said: 'He was always with me, from the time he was born and growing up. When he'd have been around 16 he started to work with me. Whatsoever he knew that I'd need help [with] he'd always be there for me.'

Mr Seesahai's mother Manashwary added: 'He's always there for us, a very protected child. He helped his father [at work] with all the tools, he helped me [at] home with the chores, he loved to do that.' 

The victim's friend told the trial he was forced to run for his life, but 19-year-old Mr Seesahai stumbled as he tried to flee from the boys on Wolverhampton's Stowlawn playing fields on November 13 last year. 

The court heard that they attacked the victim with such force that in one blow the machete almost passed through his body.

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 Yes but they were all Asian so it doesn’t really affect us.  All tribal and religious stuff.  Don’t worry.

Anonymous wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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I despair....

This is the haunting photo of a 12-year-old killer posing with a huge machete tucked into his trousers on the day he hacked teenager Shawn Seesahai to death. 

The masked boy is seen wearing a grey hooded jumper with the black handle of the blade within touching distance of his chin.

The killer menacingly peers down and tucks both of his hands into the waistband of his grey jogging bottoms in the terrifying snap.   

It comes after Snapchat messages after the butchering revealed one of the killers chillingly say: 'It is what it is.' 

The last moments of Mr Seesahai were captured on CCTV footage shows the machete attack victim walking to a park minutes before being murdered by Britain's youngest knife killers.

The youths are believed to be the youngest children convicted for murder since Robert Thompson and Jon Venables, both aged 11, were found guilty in 1993 of killing two-year-old James Bulger.

Mr Seesahai can be seen leaving Handsworth, an inner-city area of Birmingham, with two friends at around 5.30pm, getting onto a tram at Winson Green station.

The group then get off at Priestfield tram stop in Wolverhampton at 6.13pm and begin to make their way towards the park - where they would later bump into the attackers.

At 6.34pm, Mr Seesahai and one friend then leave the park to go to a local petrol station where shop CCTV shows them looking at shelves of food. 

The pair are then spotted heading back to the park for 7.57pm when grainy footage shows them standing in the area until at least 8.15pm. The attack itself is not caught on CCTV.

The stabbing victim's father Suresh told Sky News earlier that parents need to 'pay attention' to stop more senseless murders, adding that 'kids are dangerous now'.

He said: 'He was always with me, from the time he was born and growing up. When he'd have been around 16 he started to work with me. Whatsoever he knew that I'd need help [with] he'd always be there for me.'

Mr Seesahai's mother Manashwary added: 'He's always there for us, a very protected child. He helped his father [at work] with all the tools, he helped me [at] home with the chores, he loved to do that.' 

The victim's friend told the trial he was forced to run for his life, but 19-year-old Mr Seesahai stumbled as he tried to flee from the boys on Wolverhampton's Stowlawn playing fields on November 13 last year. 

The court heard that they attacked the victim with such force that in one blow the machete almost passed through his body.

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 Yes but they were all Asian so it doesn’t really affect us.  All tribal and religious stuff.  Don’t worry.

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 Idiot.

Anonymous wrote:

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We‘ve never really had asian ghettos in the south like you have in Oldham, manchester etc so we don’t get this Asian gang trouble.  Blacks yes, and we’re still dealing with that.  Stop and search worked wonders in reducing crime , why was that ? 

Dox xxxxxx

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 The murderers could have been British.

And this happened in Wolverhampton, neither North nor South.

Knife crime is getting worse.  Youngsters killing maybe an initiation into gangs?  I don't know.