Blink and you will miss the story because the bbc tend to hide  certain reports on local sections of their website

Grooming gang members given jail sentences (article appeared yesterday evening)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kv2nvj1eo

 

Man jailed for terrorism offences for second time (article appeared yesterday evening)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62775zl94do

 

Grooming still happening in Oxford, ex-investigator says (7 jan 2025, Oxford news)

"A former police officer who led a grooming investigation in Oxford has said a similar type of sexual abuse is still happening, warning that the "guys we couldn't catch are still out there".

Simon Morton, former senior investigating officer for Thames Valley Police, told the BBC that perpetrators in the area are operating in plain sight and are "influencing and arranging others to do the same thing".

He added that it is "obvious" grooming is "happening in every city around the country" - a claim supported by another police source."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2050kkpzypo

 

 

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Blink and you will miss the story because the bbc tend to hide  certain reports on local sections of their website

Grooming gang members given jail sentences (article appeared yesterday evening)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kv2nvj1eo

 

Man jailed for terrorism offences for second time (article appeared yesterday evening)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62775zl94do

 

Grooming still happening in Oxford, ex-investigator says (7 jan 2025, Oxford news)

"A former police officer who led a grooming investigation in Oxford has said a similar type of sexual abuse is still happening, warning that the "guys we couldn't catch are still out there".

Simon Morton, former senior investigating officer for Thames Valley Police, told the BBC that perpetrators in the area are operating in plain sight and are "influencing and arranging others to do the same thing".

He added that it is "obvious" grooming is "happening in every city around the country" - a claim supported by another police source."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2050kkpzypo

 

 

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 The authorities know it's still happening.

Seek out recent interviews that ex cop Maggie Oliver has given, what she has to say is scandalous, and I have no doubt all true.

Amongst her more recent interviews, she has said she was called into see the big police chief when she uncovered some of the cover up years ago. She was told, with a finger pointing in her face, that if she carried on she could face a jail term.

She also said that all police forces throughout England were sent orders from the top that they were NOT to charge any Pakistani Muslim grooming gang members, for fear of stirring up racial hatred.

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Bangladesh was part of Pakistan and was called East Pakistan.   Later it fought for and seceded from Pakistan Governance renaming itself Bangladesh.

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In 1971 ........ plenty long enough ago not to call Bengali men Pakistani. Try going to Catholic areas in Derry and calling it Londonderry. 

Is Britain broken...the NHS.

My recent experience.

The bad part.

Yesterday, the back pain, where I seem to have twisted a muscle, or damaged a nerve in my back, was no better after a week.
I, only for the second time in my life, dialled 111 to ask for advice.
They answered within a couple of minutes, spend around 15 minutes asking questions, consulted with another medic, they both agreed I should go straight to local A&E...they booked me a slot. Triage was quick, bloods taken quick, then the wait began.

Including people who had booked a slot, the walk ins, emergencies, people ferried by ambulance etc, meant the place was heaving.
The wait went from 6, to 7, to 8, to 9 hours. Eventually I was seen after 9 and a half hours.


The good part.

When I was called, the Dr interviewed me, examined me, performed a couple of procedures (wont go into them)
A radiologist brought in equipment and did an ultrasound scan on my stomach. I was then wheeled off for a Lumbar Xray.
After a while the Dr returned, with all the results (clear) prescription for pain killers, follow up advice of what to look out for and who to call if I haven't improved within 7 days.

That took 2 and a half hours, which was brilliant....and all free on the NHS.



Maddog, just out of interest, how much would that cost in the US?

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Syl wrote:

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Is Britain broken...the NHS.

My recent experience.

The bad part.

Yesterday, the back pain, where I seem to have twisted a muscle, or damaged a nerve in my back, was no better after a week.
I, only for the second time in my life, dialled 111 to ask for advice.
They answered within a couple of minutes, spend around 15 minutes asking questions, consulted with another medic, they both agreed I should go straight to local A&E...they booked me a slot. Triage was quick, bloods taken quick, then the wait began.

Including people who had booked a slot, the walk ins, emergencies, people ferried by ambulance etc, meant the place was heaving.
The wait went from 6, to 7, to 8, to 9 hours. Eventually I was seen after 9 and a half hours.


The good part.

When I was called, the Dr interviewed me, examined me, performed a couple of procedures (wont go into them)
A radiologist brought in equipment and did an ultrasound scan on my stomach. I was then wheeled off for a Lumbar Xray.
After a while the Dr returned, with all the results (clear) prescription for pain killers, follow up advice of what to look out for and who to call if I haven't improved within 7 days.

That took 2 and a half hours, which was brilliant....and all free on the NHS.



Maddog, just out of interest, how much would that cost in the US?

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 Yes NHS may take a very long time waiting, but once you see a doctor  it goes quickly.

 

What you had was great.  Scans, everything, which would cost a fortune without nhs.  I'm so glad it was a pulled muscle nothing worse.  Just take it easy, well you probably can't do much else. 

When my hub had his heart attack, the ambulance came quick, he was seen scanned and admitted very quickly.  I can't complain at all.

 

Hope.you recover soon Syl xx

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 Thanks Mags.

That's the thing, once you actually get to see the right people, the service is often really good.

 

Had I tried to get in touch with the GP, (only online now) waited for a response, (24 hours)then having to wait again for it to be passed to an actual GP, (24 hours)then waited for a phone call....then waited again for a possible appointment and a referral to the hospital, it would have taken days. 

As it is, I was in and out in 12 hours.

With anything like a heart attack, the A&E are brilliant Mags.I know we hear about ambulance waiting times and people having to wait in corridors etc, and it does happen, but when it's an emergency where every minute counts, the NHS are brilliant...we just hear of the bad cases not the millions where lives are saved. 

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OK, thanks, interesting.
Did your health insurance not cover the full cost of the kidney stone treatment?.
If I lived in the US, obviously I would have had health insurance when of working age.
Do pensioners still pay health insurance, or does Medicare fund them?

I know we have talked about this before, and I do remember saying that what you pay (for eg) a lot of Brits wouldn't be able to afford.

Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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OK, thanks, interesting.
Did your health insurance not cover the full cost of the kidney stone treatment?.
If I lived in the US, obviously I would have had health insurance when of working age.
Do pensioners still pay health insurance, or does Medicare fund them?

I know we have talked about this before, and I do remember saying that what you pay (for eg) a lot of Brits wouldn't be able to afford.

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 My insurance doesn't cover 100% of anything.  There are "Cadillac" plans that cover almost everything..I don't have one of those as they are expensive.  You often see them as part of an employment package..I'm self employed.

 

Pensioners are covered at 65. Now, they still pay taxes and like the NHS, Medicare is funded through taxes..

 

As for the poor, they qualify for Medicaid, which is free, or they get a private insurance policy heavily subsidized by taxes. They may also pay zero taxes, which is different than most lower income Brits..

 

Is there an income level where Brits don't pay into NHS? 

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 If you buy a Mars Bar you just paid tax.

If you buy a plant pot or a house or a car or a tent... you just paid tax.

If you just paid tax you just contributed to the NHS.

If you live off grid and bought nothing earned nothing you are still fully covered by the NHS.

Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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OK, thanks, interesting.
Did your health insurance not cover the full cost of the kidney stone treatment?.
If I lived in the US, obviously I would have had health insurance when of working age.
Do pensioners still pay health insurance, or does Medicare fund them?

I know we have talked about this before, and I do remember saying that what you pay (for eg) a lot of Brits wouldn't be able to afford.

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 My insurance doesn't cover 100% of anything.  There are "Cadillac" plans that cover almost everything..I don't have one of those as they are expensive.  You often see them as part of an employment package..I'm self employed.

 

Pensioners are covered at 65. Now, they still pay taxes and like the NHS, Medicare is funded through taxes..

 

As for the poor, they qualify for Medicaid, which is free, or they get a private insurance policy heavily subsidized by taxes. They may also pay zero taxes, which is different than most lower income Brits..

 

Is there an income level where Brits don't pay into NHS? 

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 I think if you earn below £12.570, you pay neither tax or NI.

 

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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OK, thanks, interesting.
Did your health insurance not cover the full cost of the kidney stone treatment?.
If I lived in the US, obviously I would have had health insurance when of working age.
Do pensioners still pay health insurance, or does Medicare fund them?

I know we have talked about this before, and I do remember saying that what you pay (for eg) a lot of Brits wouldn't be able to afford.

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 My insurance doesn't cover 100% of anything.  There are "Cadillac" plans that cover almost everything..I don't have one of those as they are expensive.  You often see them as part of an employment package..I'm self employed.

 

Pensioners are covered at 65. Now, they still pay taxes and like the NHS, Medicare is funded through taxes..

 

As for the poor, they qualify for Medicaid, which is free, or they get a private insurance policy heavily subsidized by taxes. They may also pay zero taxes, which is different than most lower income Brits..

 

Is there an income level where Brits don't pay into NHS? 

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 I think if you earn below £12.570, you pay neither tax or NI.

 

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 That's a pretty low amount. One of our problems is it's pretty easy to fall below a line where you don't really pay much. At that point you stop caring what the government does with tax money, because you're not paying for it..