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Maddog · Go Outside

RE: Maddog's health, fitness and longevity thread..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

I don't stress...(odd that my grandson was saying exactly this on Sunday) I do think some people are genetically prone to stress and some are not....so whether I lift 81b weights or 13 stone of metal, I doubt I would feel any better/worse mentally.

-- Edited by Syl on Tuesday 11th of March 2025 03:26:04 PM
Stress and cortisol impact you physically. It's why it's important to keep them under control.

Strength training does just that.

Science is pretty clear on this.

What is clear to me, is living your life doing things you enjoy, has a better impact on your mental health than forcing yourself to do things you don't enjoy.

Date: Mar 11 4:59 PM, 2025

Maddog wrote:

Good genetics are a blessing. Not everyone has them. For the rest of us, there are things that can be done to increase your lifespan and decrease the need for medical intervention and severe disabilities at the end of life..

What would you recommend?

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

I don't stress...(odd that my grandson was saying exactly this on Sunday) I do think some people are genetically prone to stress and some are not....so whether I lift 81b weights or 13 stone of metal, I doubt I would feel any better/worse mentally.

-- Edited by Syl on Tuesday 11th of March 2025 03:26:04 PM
Stress and cortisol impact you physically. It's why it's important to keep them under control.

Strength training does just that.

Science is pretty clear on this.
What is clear to me, is living your life doing things you enjoy, has a better impact on your mental health than forcing yourself to do things you don't enjoy.

Perhaps, until your physical health deteriorates and stresses you out.

That's one reason broken hips are so lethal in older people. It starts off a chain reaction knocking years off of someone's life..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

I don't stress...(odd that my grandson was saying exactly this on Sunday) I do think some people are genetically prone to stress and some are not....so whether I lift 81b weights or 13 stone of metal, I doubt I would feel any better/worse mentally.

-- Edited by Syl on Tuesday 11th of March 2025 03:26:04 PM
Stress and cortisol impact you physically. It's why it's important to keep them under control.

Strength training does just that.

Science is pretty clear on this.
What is clear to me, is living your life doing things you enjoy, has a better impact on your mental health than forcing yourself to do things you don't enjoy.

Perhaps, until your physical health deteriorates and stresses you out.

That's one reason broken hips are so lethal in older people. It starts off a chain reaction knocking years off of someone's life..

Unless you are a medical mystery, everyone's physical health deteriorates with age, the key is to adapt.

Like I have said, I was cycling, kayaking, walking miles every day, playing tennis up till 5 years ago....gradually that has decreased with wear and tear from severe osteoarthritis.

Do you really think you will be as active as you are now in 10, 20, 30 years time? If you do, I think when reality kicks in, you may be stressed out, in spite of the strength training regime you have going now.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:

I don't stress...(odd that my grandson was saying exactly this on Sunday) I do think some people are genetically prone to stress and some are not....so whether I lift 81b weights or 13 stone of metal, I doubt I would feel any better/worse mentally.

-- Edited by Syl on Tuesday 11th of March 2025 03:26:04 PM
Stress and cortisol impact you physically. It's why it's important to keep them under control.

Strength training does just that.

Science is pretty clear on this.
What is clear to me, is living your life doing things you enjoy, has a better impact on your mental health than forcing yourself to do things you don't enjoy.

Perhaps, until your physical health deteriorates and stresses you out.

That's one reason broken hips are so lethal in older people. It starts off a chain reaction knocking years off of someone's life..
Unless you are a medical mystery, everyone's physical health deteriorates with age, the key is to adapt.
Like I have said, I was cycling, kayaking, walking miles every day, playing tennis up till 5 years ago....gradually that has decreased with wear and tear from severe osteoarthritis.
Do you really think you will be as active as you are now in 10, 20, 30 years time? If you do, I think when reality kicks in, you may be stressed out, in spite of the strength training regime you have going now.

I will be more active than if I did nothing.

I will be healthier too.

None of that is even debatable.

In fact, I can do more now than I could 5 years ago. It's not magic. It's a little hard work now and then. Last I checked, that's never hurt anyone..

Maddog · Go Outside

As for OA, why would you not want to do something that makes it less severe?

"This suggests that strength training has particularly strong functional benefits for older adults with OA. Older adults with osteoarthritis will benefit from a strength training program that provides progressive overload to maintain intensity throughout the exercise program. Clinicians should encourage participation in exercise training programs, even in the oldest old with OA."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3606891/~:text=This%20suggests%20that%20strength%20training,intensity%20throughout%20the%20exercise%20program.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
As for OA, why would you not want to do something that makes it less severe?

"This suggests that strength training has particularly strong functional benefits for older adults with OA. Older adults with osteoarthritis will benefit from a strength training program that provides progressive overload to maintain intensity throughout the exercise program. Clinicians should encourage participation in exercise training programs, even in the oldest old with OA."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3606891/~:text=This%20suggests%20that%20strength%20training,intensity%20throughout%20the%20exercise%20program.

OA doesn't only affect the old though, does it? I have said earlier, my mum suffered and I first started in my early 40's.

I have always been active and slim, was back then, and will be again when I get this other knee done, it certainly doesn't stop me living my life pleasurably.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
As for OA, why would you not want to do something that makes it less severe?

"This suggests that strength training has particularly strong functional benefits for older adults with OA. Older adults with osteoarthritis will benefit from a strength training program that provides progressive overload to maintain intensity throughout the exercise program. Clinicians should encourage participation in exercise training programs, even in the oldest old with OA."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3606891/~:text=This%20suggests%20that%20strength%20training,intensity%20throughout%20the%20exercise%20program.
OA doesn't only affect the old though, does it? I have said earlier, my mum suffered and I first started in my early 40's.
I have always been active and slim, was back then, and will be again when I get this other knee done, it certainly doesn't stop me living my life pleasurably.

OA, is mostly a problem for older people. Thankfully there are non invasive ways to decrease its impact, whatever your age..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

"Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis in the UK. It’s a chronic, debilitating condition that affects over 9 million people.

However, misconceptions about osteoarthritis proliferate – perhaps most notably, the myth that it only affects the elderly. This is not the case: although old people are more likely to get osteoarthritis (it is, in fact, most common in adults in their mid-40s and older), about 15,000 children and young people also develop this condition."

https://www.kingedwardvii.co.uk/health-hub/osteoarthritis-in-young-people-it-doesnt-just-affect-the-elderly

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
"Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis in the UK. It’s a chronic, debilitating condition that affects over 9 million people.

However, misconceptions about osteoarthritis proliferate – perhaps most notably, the myth that it only affects the elderly. This is not the case: although old people are more likely to get osteoarthritis (it is, in fact, most common in adults in their mid-40s and older), about 15,000 children and young people also develop this condition."

https://www.kingedwardvii.co.uk/health-hub/osteoarthritis-in-young-people-it-doesnt-just-affect-the-elderly

That's why I said mostly the old. There are other forms of arthritis too

None of that changes the fact that there are non invasive tools to combat and prevent the disease.

Maddog · Go Outside

"Regular dry sauna bathing has potential health benefits. More data of higher quality is needed on the frequency and extent of adverse side effects. Further study is also needed to determine the optimal frequency and duration of distinct types of sauna bathing for targeted health effects and the specific clinical populations who are most likely to benefit."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5941775/

The science isn't clear on saunas, but they seem to have benefits. They definitely aren't going to hurt you unless you have some significant health issue. I spend 20 minutes in one after every workout..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
"Regular dry sauna bathing has potential health benefits. More data of higher quality is needed on the frequency and extent of adverse side effects. Further study is also needed to determine the optimal frequency and duration of distinct types of sauna bathing for targeted health effects and the specific clinical populations who are most likely to benefit."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5941775/

The science isn't clear on saunas, but they seem to have benefits. They definitely aren't going to hurt you unless you have some significant health issue. I spend 20 minutes in one after every workout..

Well you keep doing what you do, and I will keep doing what I do...and we will both be happy.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Regular dry sauna bathing has potential health benefits. More data of higher quality is needed on the frequency and extent of adverse side effects. Further study is also needed to determine the optimal frequency and duration of distinct types of sauna bathing for targeted health effects and the specific clinical populations who are most likely to benefit."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5941775/

The science isn't clear on saunas, but they seem to have benefits. They definitely aren't going to hurt you unless you have some significant health issue. I spend 20 minutes in one after every workout..
Well you keep doing what you do, and I will keep doing what I do...and we will both be happy.

Maybe.........

"Physical health problems significantly increase our risk of developing mental health problems, and vice versa.

Nearly one in three people with a long-term physical health condition also has a mental health problem, most often depression or anxiety."

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Regular dry sauna bathing has potential health benefits. More data of higher quality is needed on the frequency and extent of adverse side effects. Further study is also needed to determine the optimal frequency and duration of distinct types of sauna bathing for targeted health effects and the specific clinical populations who are most likely to benefit."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5941775/

The science isn't clear on saunas, but they seem to have benefits. They definitely aren't going to hurt you unless you have some significant health issue. I spend 20 minutes in one after every workout..
Well you keep doing what you do, and I will keep doing what I do...and we will both be happy.

Maybe.........

"Physical health problems significantly increase our risk of developing mental health problems, and vice versa.

Nearly one in three people with a long-term physical health condition also has a mental health problem, most often depression or anxiety."

I can well understand that long term health problems , especially if there is no relief, could lead to depression, It did with your own mother didn't it? I also think many mental illnesses are inherited, as well as brought about by lifestyle, loneliness, drugs, drink ...numerous things.

All any of us can do is hope for the best and live our lives as we see fit. Your way is not my way and vice versa.

Date: Mar 12 4:34 PM, 2025

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Regular dry sauna bathing has potential health benefits. More data of higher quality is needed on the frequency and extent of adverse side effects. Further study is also needed to determine the optimal frequency and duration of distinct types of sauna bathing for targeted health effects and the specific clinical populations who are most likely to benefit."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5941775/

The science isn't clear on saunas, but they seem to have benefits. They definitely aren't going to hurt you unless you have some significant health issue. I spend 20 minutes in one after every workout..
Well you keep doing what you do, and I will keep doing what I do...and we will both be happy.

Maybe.........

"Physical health problems significantly increase our risk of developing mental health problems, and vice versa.

Nearly one in three people with a long-term physical health condition also has a mental health problem, most often depression or anxiety."

BIB: You can be at the peak of physical fitness and still suffer from depression/anxiety. Having good physical health is no guarantee.

Maddog · Go Outside

No shit.

And there are smokers that make it to 90.

Motorcyclists that never wear helmets and die of old age anyway..

Do you know how statistics amd probability work?

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Regular dry sauna bathing has potential health benefits. More data of higher quality is needed on the frequency and extent of adverse side effects. Further study is also needed to determine the optimal frequency and duration of distinct types of sauna bathing for targeted health effects and the specific clinical populations who are most likely to benefit."

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5941775/

The science isn't clear on saunas, but they seem to have benefits. They definitely aren't going to hurt you unless you have some significant health issue. I spend 20 minutes in one after every workout..
Well you keep doing what you do, and I will keep doing what I do...and we will both be happy.

Maybe.........

"Physical health problems significantly increase our risk of developing mental health problems, and vice versa.

Nearly one in three people with a long-term physical health condition also has a mental health problem, most often depression or anxiety."
I can well understand that long term health problems , especially if there is no relief, could lead to depression, It did with your own mother didn't it? I also think many mental illnesses are inherited, as well as brought about by lifestyle, loneliness, drugs, drink ...numerous things.

All any of us can do is hope for the best and live our lives as we see fit. Your way is not my way and vice versa.

We are intelligent creatures that can do more than hope..

Did you get your covid shots or did you just hope for the best?

Maddog · Go Outside

My mother didn't really get depressed. She just didn't buy into rehab. She didn't think all of that physical activity was going to help..

She was living on her own til about 88. Broke her hip, wouldn't rehab seriously and was dead at 89.

Plus she ate like shit.

She could have made 100 bases on her genetics..She was naturally slim and her mother made 96..

Date: Mar 12 5:33 PM, 2025

Maddog wrote:
No shit.

And there are smokers that make it to 90.

Motorcyclists that never wear helmets and die of old age anyway..

Do you know how statistics amd probability work?

Yes thanks.