ChaoticMusings

Vam wrote:

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@ Syl… here it is - ‘Me Before You’ (probably on Amazon Prime). The actual assisted death clinic part is within the last 10 minutes of the movie.

If you watch it, have some tissues handy! 

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 I have seen it....and yep, I needed those tissues.

It was on a par with 'The Notebook'....different topic, but one that rings home for so many.

Maddog wrote:

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Vam wrote:

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It’s about time!

When the diagnosis is irrefutably terminal, and provided every extensive investigative procedure of the patient and their family’s wishes is fully carried out, then it’s inhumane to do anything other than to end the patient’s suffering. 

It’s inhumane to just let someone who is in unrelenting unimaginable pain, or who has lost control of their bodily functions, suffer indefinitely. Let them go in peace and with dignity. 

 

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 I think the decision is easy at that point..

 

The problem will be when someone who is relatively healthy just doesn't want to live anymore. What should the law say about them?

 

My gut says you "own" your life and can end it whenever you want, and for whatever reason. My brain worries about the can of worms that could open. 

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 As in physically healthy but so mentally unwell life has no meaning? Mental health problems can be just as debilitating as a physical illness/disease and as such, imho, should be treated as seriously as any physical ailment re this Bill.

 

Anonymous wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Vam wrote:

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It’s about time!

When the diagnosis is irrefutably terminal, and provided every extensive investigative procedure of the patient and their family’s wishes is fully carried out, then it’s inhumane to do anything other than to end the patient’s suffering. 

It’s inhumane to just let someone who is in unrelenting unimaginable pain, or who has lost control of their bodily functions, suffer indefinitely. Let them go in peace and with dignity. 

 

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 I think the decision is easy at that point..

 

The problem will be when someone who is relatively healthy just doesn't want to live anymore. What should the law say about them?

 

My gut says you "own" your life and can end it whenever you want, and for whatever reason. My brain worries about the can of worms that could open. 

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 As in physically healthy but so mentally unwell life has no meaning? Mental health problems can be just as debilitating as a physical illness/disease and as such, imho, should be treated as seriously as any physical ailment re this Bill.

 

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 It's very difficult for most of us to get our heads around a person who's physically young and healthy but who wants to die because of terrible anxiety and depression.  But sometimes mental pain is just as bad as physical pain.  Anyone not in complete charge of their faculties should not be offered assisted dying or encouraged to die.   But if it's your own personal choice, then I don't see why not.   It's nobody's life but your own to do with as you please. 

Maddog wrote:

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Vam wrote:

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It’s about time!

When the diagnosis is irrefutably terminal, and provided every extensive investigative procedure of the patient and their family’s wishes is fully carried out, then it’s inhumane to do anything other than to end the patient’s suffering. 

It’s inhumane to just let someone who is in unrelenting unimaginable pain, or who has lost control of their bodily functions, suffer indefinitely. Let them go in peace and with dignity. 

 

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 I think the decision is easy at that point..

 

The problem will be when someone who is relatively healthy just doesn't want to live anymore. What should the law say about them?

 

My gut says you "own" your life and can end it whenever you want, and for whatever reason. My brain worries about the can of worms that could open. 

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 Sorry MD, but that’s an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Your gut is right and, sadly, countless people take it upon themselves to do exactly that. 

"Many Canadians support euthanasia and the advocacy group Dying With Dignity says the procedure is “driven by compassion, an end to suffering and discrimination and desire for personal autonomy.” But human rights advocates say the country’s regulations lack necessary safeguards, devalue the lives of disabled people and are prompting doctors and health workers to suggest the procedure to those who might not otherwise consider it.


Equally troubling, advocates say, are instances in which people have sought to be killed because they weren’t getting adequate government support to live."

apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867




I'm not sure what your assisted dying law will look like. I'm not sure I'd want to emulate Canada..

Syl wrote:

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I don't think we will be emulating Canada any time soon.
There are calls here to greatly improve end of life conditions for terminally ill people, rather than go down the assisted dying route.

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 Hopefully you are right. 

 

When we pass legislation here, not only do none of us citizens really know what's in a hundred page document, neither do our politicians..

 

We and they find out years later..

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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I don't think we will be emulating Canada any time soon.
There are calls here to greatly improve end of life conditions for terminally ill people, rather than go down the assisted dying route.

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 Hopefully you are right. 

 

When we pass legislation here, not only do none of us citizens really know what's in a hundred page document, neither do our politicians..

 

We and they find out years later..

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 I guess if you are ever in that position, you just have to make sure you, and more importantly the person who is dying, are treated according to your wishes.

I know when my own mum was dying in hospital, I had the option to sign a form that allowed her to be resuscitated or not. I chose not, because she was so bad at that point.

It didn't come to that though...thankfully.

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 I'm not worried about the parts of a bill like this that impact the dying. I'm sure most Canadians thought  their legislation only impacted the dying too, when it was passed.

 

The uproar started a few years later when they found out it was used on people that weren't dying, and that doctors suggested the non dying use the procedure..

 

 

Again, they general idea is a good. But as they say, the devil is in the details. You spend a great deal of time railing against your current government. I wouldn't assume they don't find a way to screw this legislation up. 

Is it time to bring back the death penalty?   This bill suggests anyone in constant pain can consent for the state to assist them in their dying including: the incurably ill, the disabled, the chronically depressed.

Anonymous wrote:

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Is it time to bring back the death penalty?   This bill suggests anyone in constant pain can consent for the state to assist them in their dying including: the incurably ill, the disabled, the chronically depressed.

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 I'm not sure where you have got that info from, a link would be useful. No mention of it including anyone who is not terminally ill.

From what I have read...

 "The Bill will allow terminally ill and mentally competent adults - with less than six months to live - to seek an assisted death in England and Wales with the approval of two doctors and a High Court judge."