Maddog wrote:

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FEMA is for disaster relief.

It has nothing to do with housing migrants..

 

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 This has been roundly debunked all over social media, by far more credible sources than Elon plucking random numbers out of thin air.

Other stats circulating recently refer to the costs to enable Agent Orange and his demon spawn to attend the Super Bowl (even though he left halfway through the game)….

Stadium security upgrade (inc. metal detectors/enhanced checkpoints/bomb sweeps) - $2million

Additonal police resources (inc. overtime) - $1million

Air travel + motorcades - circa $5million 

Secret Service details - circa $8million

…. and let’s not even get into what it costs American taxpayers to haul his arse down south to go play golf at his resort almost every weekend (estimated total in his first term was at least $120million)

 

Just sayin’! …..

 

This is a 17 hour old article from the AP..🤷

 

 

 

A little bit about the guy making those videos.

He runs a progressive PAC.

And why do we care what he thinks about any situation? Can't we just watch it and decide for ourselves?

 

So Maddog the important thing here for you isn't what is happening with your presidents
n the oval office it's the guy who runs the YouTube channel being a progressive
that's the real problem?
Goodnight back to bed!

Maddog wrote:

If we crash and burn it will be because of our sovereign debt. Not because of our foreign policy (except for how fucking expensive our foreign policy can be)..

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 Reducing that national debt is obviously important but so quickly and at any cost?

President Musk is playing with fire as his actions seem likely to cause rampant asset price inflation as interests rates comes down. Great for asset holders (generally older people with houses / stock portfolios / rich people) but terrible for anyone else.

All we are seeing is a continuation of one of the biggest heists in history - the transfer of wealth from the young to older, wealthy people - which became bad during COVID - and is getting worse. I feel really sorry for young people in Western economies. It is unlikely they will be able to afford what I took for granted without having an elite job and / or wealthy parents, that being a home of their own and a family without decades of endless drudgery. I don't blame young people for opting out of that shooting match altogether. 

The top 5% will be ok, The rest of the population will be locked into some weird Hunger Games style game of survival. 

Sounds terrific.

Maddog wrote:

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Vam wrote:

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 This has been roundly debunked all over social media, by far more credible sources than Elon plucking random numbers out of thin air.

Other stats circulating recently refer to the costs to enable Agent Orange and his demon spawn to attend the Super Bowl (even though he left halfway through the game)….

Stadium security upgrade (inc. metal detectors/enhanced checkpoints/bomb sweeps) - $2million

Additonal police resources (inc. overtime) - $1million

Air travel + motorcades - circa $5million 

Secret Service details - circa $8million

…. and let’s not even get into what it costs American taxpayers to haul his arse down south to go play golf at his resort almost every weekend (estimated total in his first term was at least $120million)

 

Just sayin’! …..

 

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 Has it been debunked? I haven't seen it. I've seen upset people who don't like Musk railing against it..

 

 

And yeah, moving the President costs money. Should they just stay in the White House?

 

With modern communications we could just let them work from home I guess..

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 Yes, much debunking flying around all over the joint  I can’t do links here, but just as one example…

“The claim that FEMA sent $59 million last week to luxury hotels in NYC for migrants is incorrect. FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program operates separately from disaster relief and is funded through congressional allocations. No laws or executive orders were violated in this process.”  

~ reuters.com/fact-check

Even at that batshit Oval Office presser yesterday where that irrelevant limp dick old sidekick was sitting at the Resolute Desk pretending to be the President, the Ketamine King himself stated that some of the shit he says/posts on X ”will be incorrect”.

Anyway…I just keep wanting to reiterate the same point: No one should be against government reform and excess spending measures. It’s way past time. BUT shouldn’t DOGE just be doing the work, and then present its findings to CONGRESS for review? Congress is MANDATED to make the necessary changes/appropriations, and decide what fat to trim on a case-by-case basis.

FFS, Republicans have the White House, the Senate and the House, so why not just let the elected representatives do what they’re there for - to make/change the rules?

Or is it the Musk/trump regime‘s intention to make Congress, and even the Judiciary, completely irrelevant and surplus to requirement? 

Three COEQUAL branches of government? Maybe after the next election (if there is one), cos that sure as fuk ain’t happening now.

 

Vam wrote:

Anyway…I just keep wanting to reiterate the same point: No one should be against government reform and excess spending measures. It’s way past time. BUT shouldn’t DOGE just be doing the work, and then present its findings to CONGRESS for review? Congress is MANDATED to make the necessary changes/appropriations, and decide what fat to trim on a case-by-case basis.

FFS, Republicans have the White House, the Senate and the House, so why not just let the elected representatives do what they’re there for - to make/change the rules?

 

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Right, it's the lack of oversight / transparency that's the main issue. I doubt many taxpayers disagree in relation to getting value for money.

Apparently DOGE needs to do it in this way because it is "'urgent" and "the last chance to save America." Therefore the American people are supposed to just trust Donald Trump and Elon Musk because of this. I don't really know about Musk but Donald Trump's personal and business dealings don't really give cause for confidence that he can be trusted. If the national debt is an existential issue then why did Trump add more to it in absolute terms, and even COVID adjusted, than Biden? Did he just not realise what he was doing? The whole thing sounds shady as hell.

MAGA is a cult. That wouldn't be so bad except the seeming to be sweeping up otherwise thoughtful and sensible Americans with them who are all up in their feelings and not using their natural skepticism. I wonder f this is what it was like watching the UK from the outside during Brexit?

Hello BTW!

Vam wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Vam wrote:

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 This has been roundly debunked all over social media, by far more credible sources than Elon plucking random numbers out of thin air.

Other stats circulating recently refer to the costs to enable Agent Orange and his demon spawn to attend the Super Bowl (even though he left halfway through the game)….

Stadium security upgrade (inc. metal detectors/enhanced checkpoints/bomb sweeps) - $2million

Additonal police resources (inc. overtime) - $1million

Air travel + motorcades - circa $5million 

Secret Service details - circa $8million

…. and let’s not even get into what it costs American taxpayers to haul his arse down south to go play golf at his resort almost every weekend (estimated total in his first term was at least $120million)

 

Just sayin’! …..

 

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 Has it been debunked? I haven't seen it. I've seen upset people who don't like Musk railing against it..

 

 

And yeah, moving the President costs money. Should they just stay in the White House?

 

With modern communications we could just let them work from home I guess..

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 Yes, much debunking flying around all over the joint  I can’t do links here, but just as one example…

“The claim that FEMA sent $59 million last week to luxury hotels in NYC for migrants is incorrect. FEMA’s Shelter and Services Program operates separately from disaster relief and is funded through congressional allocations. No laws or executive orders were violated in this process.”  

~ reuters.com/fact-check

Even at that batshit Oval Office presser yesterday where that irrelevant limp dick old sidekick was sitting at the Resolute Desk pretending to be the President, the Ketamine King himself stated that some of the shit he says/posts on X ”will be incorrect”.

Anyway…I just keep wanting to reiterate the same point: No one should be against government reform and excess spending measures. It’s way past time. BUT shouldn’t DOGE just be doing the work, and then present its findings to CONGRESS for review? Congress is MANDATED to make the necessary changes/appropriations, and decide what fat to trim on a case-by-case basis.

FFS, Republicans have the White House, the Senate and the House, so why not just let the elected representatives do what they’re there for - to make/change the rules?

Or is it the Musk/trump regime‘s intention to make Congress, and even the Judiciary, completely irrelevant and surplus to requirement? 

Three COEQUAL branches of government? Maybe after the next election (if there is one), cos that sure as fuk ain’t happening now.

 

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 Why were we using FEMA cash for something outside of the purview of FEMA?  I know it was authorized, that's the problem.  

 

 

You are probably correct in how DOGE should present findings, but the executive branch has a great deal of leeway how it's departments.are run.They don't have to wait for congress on many of these matters..Congress handed off control to the executive years ago on many things..

 

Take tariffs..Until the late 70s they required an act of congress. Congress literally passed a bill giving Carter and all future presidents the power to enact or change them..

Speaking of inflation, our January numbers were released this morning..


Not good at all.

And there's likely not a pain free way to tackle it. Americans have no tolerance for short-term pain they don't even understand for long term stability.

Especially since we don't have a president that can explain to them why certain measures are necessary.