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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

RE: Are we neare WW3 than any other time in recent history?

Date: Mar 6 6:55 PM, 2025

Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.

How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..

Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?

Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.

His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.

Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
If we were allied with Ukraine, we should have defensed it with American soldiers in 2014 and again in 2022.

And any European country allied with Ukraine should have done the same..
I don’t know how this is related to my post.

He is, supposedly, the most powerful bloke on earth and here he is sounding like a kid threatening to take back his ball“…if you don’t do as I say”…”If you do, you are DEAD!”. Does he not sound childish to you? I thought it was a spoof at first, someone taking the Mickey. Does he not have a PR dept?
You said America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.

Then you went on to discuss his threats to Hamas, which are childish sounding no doubt.

That said.....

How have the more diplomatic comments directed towards Hamas worked?

Never said anything of the kind. Read back at who posted what. I commented on Trump’s schoolboy tweet ie his immaturity…nothing more, nothing less.

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.

How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..

Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?

Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.

His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.

Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
If we were allied with Ukraine, we should have defensed it with American soldiers in 2014 and again in 2022.

And any European country allied with Ukraine should have done the same..
I don’t know how this is related to my post.

He is, supposedly, the most powerful bloke on earth and here he is sounding like a kid threatening to take back his ball“…if you don’t do as I say”…”If you do, you are DEAD!”. Does he not sound childish to you? I thought it was a spoof at first, someone taking the Mickey. Does he not have a PR dept?
You said America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.

Then you went on to discuss his threats to Hamas, which are childish sounding no doubt.

That said.....

How have the more diplomatic comments directed towards Hamas worked?
Never said anything of the kind. Read back at who posted what. I commented on Trump’s schoolboy tweet ie his immaturity…nothing more, nothing less.

Well, if you had a fucking name besides anonymous these discussions would be easier..

🤷

Anyway, Hamas may understand school boy tweets..They don't seem to understand civilized discourse or behavior..

Its the school boy vs the Neanderthals. Should be exciting..

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I said that /\.

I should have known you were the cause..😎

Date: Mar 6 8:20 PM, 2025

Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.

How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..

Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?

Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.

His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.

Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
If we were allied with Ukraine, we should have defensed it with American soldiers in 2014 and again in 2022.

And any European country allied with Ukraine should have done the same..
I don’t know how this is related to my post.

He is, supposedly, the most powerful bloke on earth and here he is sounding like a kid threatening to take back his ball“…if you don’t do as I say”…”If you do, you are DEAD!”. Does he not sound childish to you? I thought it was a spoof at first, someone taking the Mickey. Does he not have a PR dept?
You said America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.

Then you went on to discuss his threats to Hamas, which are childish sounding no doubt.

That said.....

How have the more diplomatic comments directed towards Hamas worked?
Never said anything of the kind. Read back at who posted what. I commented on Trump’s schoolboy tweet ie his immaturity…nothing more, nothing less.
Well, if you had a fucking name besides anonymous these discussions would be easier..
🤷

Syl is called “Syl”, didn’t help with your reading did it. You can call me Bob if it helps with deciphering.

🤷

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I said that /\.
I should have known you were the cause..😎

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.

How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..

Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?

Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.

His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.

Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
If we were allied with Ukraine, we should have defensed it with American soldiers in 2014 and again in 2022.

And any European country allied with Ukraine should have done the same..
I don’t know how this is related to my post.

He is, supposedly, the most powerful bloke on earth and here he is sounding like a kid threatening to take back his ball“…if you don’t do as I say”…”If you do, you are DEAD!”. Does he not sound childish to you? I thought it was a spoof at first, someone taking the Mickey. Does he not have a PR dept?
You said America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.

Then you went on to discuss his threats to Hamas, which are childish sounding no doubt.

That said.....

How have the more diplomatic comments directed towards Hamas worked?
Never said anything of the kind. Read back at who posted what. I commented on Trump’s schoolboy tweet ie his immaturity…nothing more, nothing less.
Well, if you had a fucking name besides anonymous these discussions would be easier..
🤷

Syl is called “Syl”, didn’t help with your reading did it. You can call me Bob if it helps with deciphering.
🤷

Perfect.

Join as Bob.

I love when a good plan comes together..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

How things have deteriorated since this thread was created just over 2 weeks ago.
Are we even nearer WW3 than we were even then? I think it's possible, and the enemy is an unexpected one.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
How things have deteriorated since this thread was created just over 2 weeks ago.
Are we even nearer WW3 than we were even then? I think it's possible, and the enemy is an unexpected one.

WW3 would require the West to invade Russia.

Do you think German and French troops are going to do that?.They aren't even interested in fighting Russians in Ukraine.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
How things have deteriorated since this thread was created just over 2 weeks ago.
Are we even nearer WW3 than we were even then? I think it's possible, and the enemy is an unexpected one.
WW3 would require the West to invade Russia.

Do you think German and French troops are going to do that?.They aren't even interested in fighting Russians in Ukraine.

The mood of the world is changing, I think Germans, French, other European countries, and obviously the UK, has to step up and stop the tyranny that Trump is supporting.

If a powerful ally suddenly switches sides, as it seems is happening, countries can either buckle or fight....no one wants to fight, but sometimes, as in past wars, it's the better option.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
How things have deteriorated since this thread was created just over 2 weeks ago.
Are we even nearer WW3 than we were even then? I think it's possible, and the enemy is an unexpected one.
WW3 would require the West to invade Russia.

Do you think German and French troops are going to do that?.They aren't even interested in fighting Russians in Ukraine.
The mood of the world is changing, I think Germans, French, other European countries, and obviously the UK, has to step up and stop the tyranny that Trump is supporting.
If a powerful ally suddenly switches sides, as it seems is happening, countries can either buckle or fight....no one wants to fight, but sometimes, as in past wars, it's the better option.

We are still arming Ukraine..Nobody has traded sides..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
How things have deteriorated since this thread was created just over 2 weeks ago.
Are we even nearer WW3 than we were even then? I think it's possible, and the enemy is an unexpected one.
WW3 would require the West to invade Russia.

Do you think German and French troops are going to do that?.They aren't even interested in fighting Russians in Ukraine.
The mood of the world is changing, I think Germans, French, other European countries, and obviously the UK, has to step up and stop the tyranny that Trump is supporting.
If a powerful ally suddenly switches sides, as it seems is happening, countries can either buckle or fight....no one wants to fight, but sometimes, as in past wars, it's the better option.
We are still arming Ukraine..Nobody has traded sides..

You are now, last week you were not, you are being dictated to by a madman who swaps and changes his mind at whim.

Published on 12/03/2025 - 14:55 GMT+1

"The Trump administration's move to allow military support is a 180-degree shift from just a week ago, when it imposed measures halting the flow of arms deliveries and intelligence between Kyiv and Washington in an apparent effort to push Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy into talks on accepting a deal regarding Russia's war."

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
How things have deteriorated since this thread was created just over 2 weeks ago.
Are we even nearer WW3 than we were even then? I think it's possible, and the enemy is an unexpected one.
WW3 would require the West to invade Russia.

Do you think German and French troops are going to do that?.They aren't even interested in fighting Russians in Ukraine.
The mood of the world is changing, I think Germans, French, other European countries, and obviously the UK, has to step up and stop the tyranny that Trump is supporting.
If a powerful ally suddenly switches sides, as it seems is happening, countries can either buckle or fight....no one wants to fight, but sometimes, as in past wars, it's the better option.
We are still arming Ukraine..Nobody has traded sides..
You are now, last week you were not, you are being dictated to by a madman who swaps and changes his mind at whim.

Published on 12/03/2025 - 14:55 GMT+1
"The Trump administration's move to allow military support is a 180-degree shift from just a week ago, when it imposed measures halting the flow of arms deliveries and intelligence between Kyiv and Washington in an apparent effort to push Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy into talks on accepting a deal regarding Russia's war."

So why arm Ukraine?

He's erratic and crazy. That's not the same as supporting Putin.

Again, he hates Zelinsky and is petty. That's not the same as pro Putin..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
How things have deteriorated since this thread was created just over 2 weeks ago.
Are we even nearer WW3 than we were even then? I think it's possible, and the enemy is an unexpected one.
WW3 would require the West to invade Russia.

Do you think German and French troops are going to do that?.They aren't even interested in fighting Russians in Ukraine.
The mood of the world is changing, I think Germans, French, other European countries, and obviously the UK, has to step up and stop the tyranny that Trump is supporting.
If a powerful ally suddenly switches sides, as it seems is happening, countries can either buckle or fight....no one wants to fight, but sometimes, as in past wars, it's the better option.
We are still arming Ukraine..Nobody has traded sides..
You are now, last week you were not, you are being dictated to by a madman who swaps and changes his mind at whim.

Published on 12/03/2025 - 14:55 GMT+1
"The Trump administration's move to allow military support is a 180-degree shift from just a week ago, when it imposed measures halting the flow of arms deliveries and intelligence between Kyiv and Washington in an apparent effort to push Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy into talks on accepting a deal regarding Russia's war."
So why arm Ukraine?

He's erratic and crazy. That's not the same as supporting Putin.

Again, he hates Zelinsky and is petty. That's not the same as pro Putin..

Well, we will see after his talks today with Putin are made public.

President Trump and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia are expected to speak on Tuesday as Washington pushes for a cease-fire in Ukraine. Mr. Trump said the topics would include power plants and “dividing up” Ukrainian assets.

The call will be the first known conversation between the two leaders since Ukraine agreed to support a U.S.-backed monthlong cease-fire, as long as Russia does the same. While Mr. Trump has stated his desire to broker a truce as quickly as possible, Mr. Putin seems to be seeking more concessions.

“Many elements of a Final Agreement have been agreed to, but much remains,” Mr. Trump wrote on Monday on Truth Social, his social media platform. He added that the war “must end NOW,” and said he was looking forward to the call with Mr. Putin.

Trump and Putin to Discuss Ukraine in Phone Call: What to Know - The New York Times

Vam · Getting Gobby

I’m betting very little truth will be made public after their call. What will be made public is trump’s SPIN on how the call went.

I'm also betting he‘ll totally big himself up and play the strongman/hero because, ultimately, he’s still hankering after the Nobel Peace Prize (or as he spells it, the ‘Noble’ )

Obama, who has permanent rent-free residency inside trump’s head, was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. And so trump won’t rest until he gets one too.

Maddog · Go Outside

I expect very little from this call. Putin is content with dragging this thing out and winning through attrition.

I had hoped that Ukraine could push the Russians back, or that the Russians would overthrow Putin at some point.

After 3 years it appears Putin will just continue to throw his much larger population into the meat grinder for as long as it takes to win.

Unless Europe wants to create an expeditionary force to move the Russians back..🤷

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

What gives Trump the right to give away some of the land that has been invaded by Russia in the Ukraine?
It seems to me that the Putin is issuing all the demands and Zelensky is supposed to just accept.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
What gives Trump the right to give away some of the land that has been invaded by Russia in the Ukraine?
It seems to me that the Putin is issuing all the demands and Zelensky is supposed to just accept.

He has no right and Ukraine doesn't have to accept this plan.

They are free to fight on..

It appears very little came of this call anyway. Expect little to change..

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

After the Soviet Union collapsed America guaranteed to protect Ukraine from any attacks
by anyone if they would hand over the hundreds of nukes they had.
Ukraine did as asked.
Isn't that America aligning themselves with Ukraine?

Maddog · Go Outside

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum~:text=The%20other%20signatories%20(the%20United,Non%2DProliferation%20of%20Nuclear%20Weapons.

It was a non military agreement signed by the UK too.

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