ChaoticMusings

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

RE: Eurasia.

Maddog · Go Outside

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Anonymous wrote:
Vam wrote:
One French senator‘s had enough, that’s for sure!

@Jack, ICYMI, you should maybe check out his incredibly compelling and powerful speech, which has gone viral. Sorry to admit I still can’t crack posting clips on here. But you’ll find him on YouTube. Definitely worth the whole 8 minutes - and especially the first 4 minutes.
‘French Senator Claude Malhuret Speech’
This is the one you mean.
To put up a youtube clip, open it in youtube, copy the address from your browser's address bar, then on here click the youtube icon and paste the address into the window that pops up.
I felt like applauding him, everything he said is absolutely correct.
For the first time in recent history the US cannot be trusted, they are being led by a despotic traitor who is hand and glove with the enemy, all for his own benefit.
He is surrounding himself with people who are supporting his ego and not world peace... deluding himself that his legacy will be one of peacemaker, when in truth he is a warmonger.
I think on this site the only person who can't see the wood for the trees is Maddog...the American.

I know exactly what Trump is doing. He's an isolationist.

Who is Trump a traitor to?.
Europe.
Did you watch the vid? Do you agree with the French senator?
A US president cant be a traitor to another country..

He can end an alliance that is no longer necessary..

I watched about 3 minutes. He needs to worry about France and their negligence in regards to their NATO obligations
Semantics.
He acts like a traitor, and he could be found guilty of treason.

It's not semantics. He has no legal obligation except to the people and the constitution of the US..

It would be like saying anyone that supported Brexit was a traitor..

Vam · Getting Gobby

@ MD…ok, so what am I missing here?

You don’t agree that a sitting POTUS consistently and publicly showing bias, solidarity and giving his version of ‘aid and comfort’ to a renowned American adversary is treacherous behaviour?

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
@ MD…ok, so what am I missing here?
You don’t agree that a sitting POTUS consistently and publicly showing bias, solidarity and giving his version of ‘aid and comfort’ to a renowned American adversary is treacherous behaviour?

He's decided that this thing isn't going to stop without forcing Zelensky into it, and he's not concerned with Ukraine losing territory.

Should he call Putin names amd threaten him?

Threaten him with what? 3 more years of the same?

We ARE going to cut Ukraine loose. You may not like that, but that's what's going to happen. Do you want this thing negotiated before we turn off the money line or not?

Forget about how unfair it is. I already know that. We can't fix all of the unfair shit in the world and we sure as hell can't even afford to try right now..

Vam · Getting Gobby

Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ MD…ok, so what am I missing here?
You don’t agree that a sitting POTUS consistently and publicly showing bias, solidarity and giving his version of ‘aid and comfort’ to a renowned American adversary is treacherous behaviour?
He's decided that this thing isn't going to stop without forcing Zelensky into it, and he's not concerned with Ukraine losing territory.

Should he call Putin names amd threaten him?

Threaten him with what? 3 more years of the same?

We ARE going to cut Ukraine loose. You may not like that, but that's what's going to happen. Do you want this thing negotiated before we turn off the money line or not?

Forget about how unfair it is. I already know that. We can't fix all of the unfair shit in the world and we sure as hell can't even afford to try right now..

I hear you (I always hear you, in case you haven’t noticed).

And I get why you feel it’s time to cut Ukraine loose, and of course a negotiated settlement seems to be the only way forward at this point.

But did that old SOB and his VP pipsqueak really have to stack the deck so much in Putin’s favour, by publicly humiliating Zelenskyy in the way they did on the world stage? That stunt was right on the back of declaring Zelenskyy‘s a dictator who started the war.

Yeah, he’s “vindictive and hates Zelenskyy“, etc. I know all that … but still…

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ MD…ok, so what am I missing here?
You don’t agree that a sitting POTUS consistently and publicly showing bias, solidarity and giving his version of ‘aid and comfort’ to a renowned American adversary is treacherous behaviour?
He's decided that this thing isn't going to stop without forcing Zelensky into it, and he's not concerned with Ukraine losing territory.

Should he call Putin names amd threaten him?

Threaten him with what? 3 more years of the same?

We ARE going to cut Ukraine loose. You may not like that, but that's what's going to happen. Do you want this thing negotiated before we turn off the money line or not?

Forget about how unfair it is. I already know that. We can't fix all of the unfair shit in the world and we sure as hell can't even afford to try right now..
I hear you (I always hear you, in case you haven’t noticed).
And I get why you feel it’s time to cut Ukraine loose, and of course a negotiated settlement seems to be the only way forward at this point.
But did that old SOB and his VP pipsqueak really have to stack the deck so much in Putin’s favour, by publicly humiliating Zelenskyy in the way they did on the world stage? That stunt was right on the back of declaring Zelenskyy‘s a dictator who started the war.
Yeah, he’s “vindictive and hates Zelenskyy“, etc. I know all that … but still…

It was chicken shit, but it rocked the globe and got everyone moving..Time will tell if it all moves in the right direction..

Let's take NATO. For decades we have politely and diplomatically asked for members to meet their obligations.

Crickets.

Now they are full speed ahead in exceeding their obligations.

His antics get results..

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

According to this U.S.A is third in contributing to NATO.
worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nato-spending-by-country

Maddog · Go Outside

jackb wrote:
According to this U.S.A is third in contributing to NATO.
worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/nato-spending-by-country

Yes, but we always meet our 2% obligation.

As does the UK.

Most don't and haven't in years

Vam · Getting Gobby

@ Dawg… (hope this works) …

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253

Not too shabby, tbf I’m sure they’ll step up even more now, if they have to. If no peace settlement is reached, unfreezing and appropriating European-sanctioned Russian assets would surely go a long way to easing the burden.

Whereas, is this where president Pinocchio‘s wild unsubstantiated claims of $350billion in American aid, are blown out the water?

https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20we%20have%20provided,invasion%20of%20Ukraine%20in%202014.

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
@ Dawg… (hope this works) …
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253
Not too shabby, tbf I’m sure they’ll step up even more now, if they have to. If no peace settlement is reached, unfreezing and appropriating European-sanctioned Russian assets would surely go a long way to easing the burden.

Whereas, is this where president Pinocchio‘s wild unsubstantiated claims of $350billion in American aid, are blown out the water?
https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20we%20have%20provided,invasion%20of%20Ukraine%20in%202014.

And 35% of the EU aid is in the form of a loan..

I'm not saying the EU hasn't helped, I'm saying they should be the leader. This is happening in their backyard.

I wouldn't expect the EU to help stabilize Mexico.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ Dawg… (hope this works) …
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253
Not too shabby, tbf I’m sure they’ll step up even more now, if they have to. If no peace settlement is reached, unfreezing and appropriating European-sanctioned Russian assets would surely go a long way to easing the burden.

Whereas, is this where president Pinocchio‘s wild unsubstantiated claims of $350billion in American aid, are blown out the water?
https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20we%20have%20provided,invasion%20of%20Ukraine%20in%202014.

And 35% of the EU aid is in the form of a loan..

I'm not saying the EU hasn't helped, I'm saying they should be the leader. This is happening in their backyard.

I wouldn't expect the EU to help stabilize Mexico.

Of course you wouldn't seeing as you think it perfectly ok for your country to renege on promises commitments and so on.

I look forward to your troop withdrawals from this part of the western world as

more and more people do and the total loss of American influence around the world.

You'll pay a bigger price than us and Europe will handle it well enough.

Maddog · Go Outside

jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ Dawg… (hope this works) …
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253
Not too shabby, tbf I’m sure they’ll step up even more now, if they have to. If no peace settlement is reached, unfreezing and appropriating European-sanctioned Russian assets would surely go a long way to easing the burden.

Whereas, is this where president Pinocchio‘s wild unsubstantiated claims of $350billion in American aid, are blown out the water?
https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20we%20have%20provided,invasion%20of%20Ukraine%20in%202014.

And 35% of the EU aid is in the form of a loan..

I'm not saying the EU hasn't helped, I'm saying they should be the leader. This is happening in their backyard.

I wouldn't expect the EU to help stabilize Mexico.
Of course you wouldn't seeing as you think it perfectly ok for your country to renege on promises commitments and so on.
I look forward to your troop withdrawals from this part of the western world as
more and more people do and the total loss of American influence around the world.
You'll pay a bigger price than us and Europe will handle it well enough.

The reason for those commitments ended 30 years ago

You're welcome..

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ Dawg… (hope this works) …
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253
Not too shabby, tbf I’m sure they’ll step up even more now, if they have to. If no peace settlement is reached, unfreezing and appropriating European-sanctioned Russian assets would surely go a long way to easing the burden.

Whereas, is this where president Pinocchio‘s wild unsubstantiated claims of $350billion in American aid, are blown out the water?
https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20we%20have%20provided,invasion%20of%20Ukraine%20in%202014.

And 35% of the EU aid is in the form of a loan..

I'm not saying the EU hasn't helped, I'm saying they should be the leader. This is happening in their backyard.

I wouldn't expect the EU to help stabilize Mexico.
Of course you wouldn't seeing as you think it perfectly ok for your country to renege on promises commitments and so on.
I look forward to your troop withdrawals from this part of the western world as
more and more people do and the total loss of American influence around the world.
You'll pay a bigger price than us and Europe will handle it well enough.

The reason for those commitments ended 30 years ago

You're welcome..

But you want to blame us for your idiotic desire to continue what you started.

Maddog · Go Outside

jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ Dawg… (hope this works) …
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253
Not too shabby, tbf I’m sure they’ll step up even more now, if they have to. If no peace settlement is reached, unfreezing and appropriating European-sanctioned Russian assets would surely go a long way to easing the burden.

Whereas, is this where president Pinocchio‘s wild unsubstantiated claims of $350billion in American aid, are blown out the water?
https://www.state.gov/bureau-of-political-military-affairs/releases/2025/01/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20we%20have%20provided,invasion%20of%20Ukraine%20in%202014.

And 35% of the EU aid is in the form of a loan..

I'm not saying the EU hasn't helped, I'm saying they should be the leader. This is happening in their backyard.

I wouldn't expect the EU to help stabilize Mexico.
Of course you wouldn't seeing as you think it perfectly ok for your country to renege on promises commitments and so on.
I look forward to your troop withdrawals from this part of the western world as
more and more people do and the total loss of American influence around the world.
You'll pay a bigger price than us and Europe will handle it well enough.

The reason for those commitments ended 30 years ago

You're welcome..
But you want to blame us for your idiotic desire to continue what you started.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything.I think Europe should have an alliance to keep Russia in check.

Since the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact are 30 years past, there is no need for our involvement..

Digger · Admin

Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ MD…ok, so what am I missing here?
You don’t agree that a sitting POTUS consistently and publicly showing bias, solidarity and giving his version of ‘aid and comfort’ to a renowned American adversary is treacherous behaviour?
He's decided that this thing isn't going to stop without forcing Zelensky into it, and he's not concerned with Ukraine losing territory.

Should he call Putin names amd threaten him?

Threaten him with what? 3 more years of the same?

We ARE going to cut Ukraine loose. You may not like that, but that's what's going to happen. Do you want this thing negotiated before we turn off the money line or not?

Forget about how unfair it is. I already know that. We can't fix all of the unfair shit in the world and we sure as hell can't even afford to try right now..
I hear you (I always hear you, in case you haven’t noticed).
And I get why you feel it’s time to cut Ukraine loose, and of course a negotiated settlement seems to be the only way forward at this point.
But did that old SOB and his VP pipsqueak really have to stack the deck so much in Putin’s favour, by publicly humiliating Zelenskyy in the way they did on the world stage? That stunt was right on the back of declaring Zelenskyy‘s a dictator who started the war.
Yeah, he’s “vindictive and hates Zelenskyy“, etc. I know all that … but still…

I think Trump is a master at keeping people on their toes. Whether you like him or not, whether you approve of his tactics or not, he's shaking things up and Europe have finally realised they need to stop wallowing in lethargy and kick start their defence.

As for his morals, he's no more seedy or scheming than any number of past presidents.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ MD…ok, so what am I missing here?
You don’t agree that a sitting POTUS consistently and publicly showing bias, solidarity and giving his version of ‘aid and comfort’ to a renowned American adversary is treacherous behaviour?
He's decided that this thing isn't going to stop without forcing Zelensky into it, and he's not concerned with Ukraine losing territory.

Should he call Putin names amd threaten him?

Threaten him with what? 3 more years of the same?

We ARE going to cut Ukraine loose. You may not like that, but that's what's going to happen. Do you want this thing negotiated before we turn off the money line or not?

Forget about how unfair it is. I already know that. We can't fix all of the unfair shit in the world and we sure as hell can't even afford to try right now..
I hear you (I always hear you, in case you haven’t noticed).
And I get why you feel it’s time to cut Ukraine loose, and of course a negotiated settlement seems to be the only way forward at this point.
But did that old SOB and his VP pipsqueak really have to stack the deck so much in Putin’s favour, by publicly humiliating Zelenskyy in the way they did on the world stage? That stunt was right on the back of declaring Zelenskyy‘s a dictator who started the war.
Yeah, he’s “vindictive and hates Zelenskyy“, etc. I know all that … but still…

I think Trump is a master at keeping people on their toes. Whether you like him or not, whether you approve of his tactics or not, he's shaking things up and Europe have finally realised they need to stop wallowing in lethargy and kick start their defence.
As for his morals, he's no more seedy or scheming than any number of past presidents.

He promised to be a disruptor of the status quo.

Look at his appointments..

He's keeping his word on that anyway..

ChaoticMusings

Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time. But now that it's the opposite it's twice upon a time.

Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time. But now that it's the opposite it's twice upon a time.

Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time. But now that it's the opposite it's twice upon a time.