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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

RE: Virginia Giuffre

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Magica wrote:
They are saying was she bumped off now. She showed no signs of wanting to killing herself.

Think that is based on a tweet of hers from 2019 where she said she wasn't suicidal and had no intentions of taking her own life.
Obviously a lot can change in 5-6 years. Getting away with a public execution where the victim is so high profile is probably exceedingly difficult so the most likely explanation is suicide.
I believe 'they' managed it with Princess Diana.
Well, she definitely wasn't a suicide victim.

I doubt she was murdered. Was she hounded to death and not really missed by some folks in power? Sure.

A car crash is a terribly ineffective way to try to kill someone..
Is it ineffective if it worked...no matter how clumsily?
The most famous woman in the world was in a RTA, and the little white fiat that was said to have been involved was never positively identified.
She was visibly upset when then Prince Charles friend and mouthpiece had called her a 'loose cannon', then she said the week before to the world press...''Wait till you see the next announcement I will be making", I believed then, and I believe now, she was shut up before she had the chance.

If it worked.

Why risk such a crazy idea?

Waiting for a driver to drive like a lunatic in a Mercedes, then station a Fiat along an unknown route to crash into it, while not getting enough damage for the driver to be captured.

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
I believe 'they' managed it with Princess Diana.
Yes Syl,, Diana was murdered.
Who by?

The current king, and his mother I presume.

Date: Apr 28 6:43 PM, 2025

Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
I believe 'they' managed it with Princess Diana.
Yes Syl,, Diana was murdered.
Who by?
The current king, and his mother I presume.

Butt out, I wasn't asking you.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Magica wrote:
They are saying was she bumped off now. She showed no signs of wanting to killing herself.

Think that is based on a tweet of hers from 2019 where she said she wasn't suicidal and had no intentions of taking her own life.
Obviously a lot can change in 5-6 years. Getting away with a public execution where the victim is so high profile is probably exceedingly difficult so the most likely explanation is suicide.
I believe 'they' managed it with Princess Diana.
Well, she definitely wasn't a suicide victim.

I doubt she was murdered. Was she hounded to death and not really missed by some folks in power? Sure.

A car crash is a terribly ineffective way to try to kill someone..
Is it ineffective if it worked...no matter how clumsily?
The most famous woman in the world was in a RTA, and the little white fiat that was said to have been involved was never positively identified.
She was visibly upset when then Prince Charles friend and mouthpiece had called her a 'loose cannon', then she said the week before to the world press...''Wait till you see the next announcement I will be making", I believed then, and I believe now, she was shut up before she had the chance.
If it worked.

Why risk such a crazy idea?

Waiting for a driver to drive like a lunatic in a Mercedes, then station a Fiat along an unknown route to crash into it, while not getting enough damage for the driver to be captured.

There was a lot of controversy about whether the driver was driving like a lunatic, and even more about the alcohol content in his body.

Crazy ideas work when assassination attempts are planned...remember the Russian with his poisoned brolly tip?...what about Kennedy, and of course MM.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Magica wrote:
They are saying was she bumped off now. She showed no signs of wanting to killing herself.

Think that is based on a tweet of hers from 2019 where she said she wasn't suicidal and had no intentions of taking her own life.
Obviously a lot can change in 5-6 years. Getting away with a public execution where the victim is so high profile is probably exceedingly difficult so the most likely explanation is suicide.
I believe 'they' managed it with Princess Diana.
Well, she definitely wasn't a suicide victim.

I doubt she was murdered. Was she hounded to death and not really missed by some folks in power? Sure.

A car crash is a terribly ineffective way to try to kill someone..
Is it ineffective if it worked...no matter how clumsily?
The most famous woman in the world was in a RTA, and the little white fiat that was said to have been involved was never positively identified.
She was visibly upset when then Prince Charles friend and mouthpiece had called her a 'loose cannon', then she said the week before to the world press...''Wait till you see the next announcement I will be making", I believed then, and I believe now, she was shut up before she had the chance.
If it worked.

Why risk such a crazy idea?

Waiting for a driver to drive like a lunatic in a Mercedes, then station a Fiat along an unknown route to crash into it, while not getting enough damage for the driver to be captured.

There was a lot of controversy about whether the driver was driving like a lunatic, and even more about the alcohol content in his body.
Crazy ideas work when assassination attempts are planned...remember the Russian with his poisoned brolly tip?...what about Kennedy, and of course MM.

The driver was driving at a very high rate of speed. That's why people died in a car accident involving what amounts to a tank.

We know about the Russian and his poisoned umbrella. Not exactly a novel idea that required a lot of moving parts.

I think Oswald killed JFK. Members of the mafia may have had a whiff of it but they sure as hell wouldn't drop a dime..

Marilyn and Virginia remind me a great deal of each other. Troubled souls that killed themselves..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

They are your opinions, which you are entitled to.
Obviously, I don't agree.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Syl wrote:
They are your opinions, which you are entitled to.
Obviously, I don't agree.

Maddy always agrees with the official line no matter how many holes the official line may have.

He's American.

-- Edited by jackb on Monday 28th of April 2025 11:55:50 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
They are your opinions, which you are entitled to.
Obviously, I don't agree.

They're more than opinions. They are positions taken based on the facts as we know them.

Conspiracy theories operate outside of what has been proven. Doesn't mean they aren't true I guess. I'm just so heavily trained not to speculate and never state things I can't verify, that I'm not prone to buying into conspiracy theories.

That doesn't mean I don't think governments lie and cover up things. Just that they aren't very good at it. That's why I'm certain we would know by now about Di, JFK or Marilyn.

I'm also certain that all of the conspiracies about Virginia's death will continue for decades..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I have no idea if Virginia Giuffre killed herself or not. I think the fact that she claimed she wasn't suicidal years ago, proves nothing.
A lot has happened to her since then, and it's only a few weeks ago she was involved in a strange drama, where it seemed she lied about actually being there....so who knows.

As for the others....I think the truth has never been told, and I doubt it ever will be.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I have no idea if Virginia Giuffre killed herself or not. I think the fact that she claimed she wasn't suicidal years ago, proves nothing.
A lot has happened to her since then, and it's only a few weeks ago she was involved in a strange drama, where it seemed she lied about actually being there....so who knows.

As for the others....I think the truth has never been told, and I doubt it ever will be.

How do you ever decide when the truth is told?

How do you know the truth about Virginia?

I mean if we want to get silly, I could believe Di actually committed suicide and the truth will just never come out..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

We don't decide when or if the truth is told, only the people who were there or involved in the cover ups know....the dead can't tell us can they.

We just have opinions.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
They are your opinions, which you are entitled to.
Obviously, I don't agree.
They're more than opinions. They are positions taken based on the facts as we know them.

Conspiracy theories operate outside of what has been proven. Doesn't mean they aren't true I guess. I'm just so heavily trained not to speculate and never state things I can't verify, that I'm not prone to buying into conspiracy theories.

That doesn't mean I don't think governments lie and cover up things. Just that they aren't very good at it. That's why I'm certain we would know by now about Di, JFK or Marilyn.

I'm also certain that all of the conspiracies about Virginia's death will continue for decades..

What was proven beyond doubt is the cause of the Vietnam war was based on lies.

Most thinking people know the official version of the events of 9'11 are nonsense!

Doesn't matter what your version of events might be but the official story is nonsense.

What evidence do you have to show that governments are no good at lying?

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
They are your opinions, which you are entitled to.
Obviously, I don't agree.
They're more than opinions. They are positions taken based on the facts as we know them.

Conspiracy theories operate outside of what has been proven. Doesn't mean they aren't true I guess. I'm just so heavily trained not to speculate and never state things I can't verify, that I'm not prone to buying into conspiracy theories.

That doesn't mean I don't think governments lie and cover up things. Just that they aren't very good at it. That's why I'm certain we would know by now about Di, JFK or Marilyn.

I'm also certain that all of the conspiracies about Virginia's death will continue for decades..

Governments are made up of MP's or senators ministers etc... they don't create the problems or maintain the secrets... it's the military and the intelligence services.

The very nature of the intelligence services mean the Mp's senators and even presidents and prime ministers never really know what they are up to... not even where their budget is going or even where clandestine sources of income are coming from.

You Maddog haven't the slightest idea of how good or not they may be at keeping secrets or organising death.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
We don't decide when or if the truth is told, only the people who were there or involved in the cover ups know....the dead can't tell us can they.

We just have opinions.

And that's how we keep conspiracy theories going. No matter what we are told, we can declare it to not be the truth.

Instead we make our own versions of the truth and decide any version that doesn't match ours isn't actually the truth.

Maddog · Go Outside

jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
They are your opinions, which you are entitled to.
Obviously, I don't agree.
They're more than opinions. They are positions taken based on the facts as we know them.

Conspiracy theories operate outside of what has been proven. Doesn't mean they aren't true I guess. I'm just so heavily trained not to speculate and never state things I can't verify, that I'm not prone to buying into conspiracy theories.

That doesn't mean I don't think governments lie and cover up things. Just that they aren't very good at it. That's why I'm certain we would know by now about Di, JFK or Marilyn.

I'm also certain that all of the conspiracies about Virginia's death will continue for decades..
What was proven beyond doubt is the cause of the Vietnam war was based on lies.
Most thinking people know the official version of the events of 9'11 are nonsense!
Doesn't matter what your version of events might be but the official story is nonsense.
What evidence do you have to show that governments are no good at lying?

The Vietnam War wasn't based on lies..

The Gulf of Tonkin event had some embellishments.

The war was already well under way and we already had troops in Vietnam. That event might have increased our military presence and led to the escalation of US forces..

I'm not going to do 911 with a conspiracy theorist like you. It's like arguing with a flat earther.

And the reason I know governments are so bad at lying is they get caught doing it..

I know you think these clowns are super mystical people, but they aren't..Someone always blabs if the secret includes more than one person .

Maddog · Go Outside

"And hardcore believers are adept at rationalizing away evidence that contradicts their beliefs. Eyewitnesses who dispute the conclusions of even the biggest conspiracy theories are mistaken, according to believers — or part of the conspiracy."

www.livescience.com/11375-top-ten-conspiracy-theories.html

Now, one must ask yourself. Is Maddog too blind to pick up on these conspiracies, or am I possibly part of the process to protect the secrets.🤔

Date: Apr 29 7:29 AM, 2025

jackb wrote:

Most thinking people know the official version of the events of 9'11 are nonsense!
Doesn't matter what your version of events might be but the official story is nonsense.

Re conspiracy theories in general, people probably enjoy them because they're more exciting than the mundane reality.

And re your comment - what do most thinking people think was the true story behind the events of 9-11?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
We don't decide when or if the truth is told, only the people who were there or involved in the cover ups know....the dead can't tell us can they.

We just have opinions.
And that's how we keep conspiracy theories going. No matter what we are told, we can declare it to not be the truth.

Instead we make our own versions of the truth and decide any version that doesn't match ours isn't actually the truth.

When people are called conspiracy theorists, it's just a way to demean their opinions, just as calling someone a racist when they are talking about very real immigration problems, is designed to do.

I don't think the majority of people who question these huge events are wanting the official verdicts to tally with their own. I think people look at both sides, read all the evidence available, and come to their own decision.

We all know governments lie and special agencies are trained in acting covertly, it's how wars are won and lost, so bumping someone off should be a doddle. The three cases we mention, all the evidence points to assasinations.....in my opinion.

jackb · 1000 Posts!?

Anonymous wrote:
jackb wrote:

Most thinking people know the official version of the events of 9'11 are nonsense!
Doesn't matter what your version of events might be but the official story is nonsense.

Re conspiracy theories in general, people probably enjoy them because they're more exciting than the mundane reality.

And re your comment - what do most thinking people think was the true story behind the events of 9-11?

Few are claiming to know but that doesn't change the fact the official story is nonsense.

The families of the victims started 911 truth movements...pilots joined in the military joined in and so on.

ChaoticMusings

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Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time. But now that it's the opposite it's twice upon a time.

Machines were mice and men were lions once upon a time. But now that it's the opposite it's twice upon a time.