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Virginia Giuffre

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:

I'm working on a new theory that I may share later. I'm worried about George W finding out though and crashing a 747 into my house..
See now, ‘Falling Man’ ..… is the heart-wrenching video clip that will remain etched into my brain forevermore. Which is why I can never laugh at anything 9/11-related.
Not trying to guilt trip anyone. You do you, Dawg

I'm not laughing at the event, it was horrific. I just cant.do conspiracy theories. And I'm a very skeptical person by nature. But my skepticism leans towards government incompetence, not mystical powers.

Digger · Admin

Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.

Ms Giuffre says she was forced to have sex with Andrew three times. Then got paid £15K, so money wasn't an issue.

However, in her new book, Ms Giuffre exposes the details of the gagging order she was reportedly asked to sign by the prince.

'I agreed to a one-year gag order, which seemed important to the prince because it ensured that his mother's Platinum Jubilee would not be tarnished any more than it already had been,' she writes.

Why would you sign a gagging order for just a year, or any length of time, or settle for £12M when you knew all those other girls were suffering?

Magica · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
Ms Giuffre says she was forced to have sex with Andrew three times. Then got paid £15K, so money wasn't an issue.
However, in her new book, Ms Giuffre exposes the details of the gagging order she was reportedly asked to sign by the prince.
'I agreed to a one-year gag order, which seemed important to the prince because it ensured that his mother's Platinum Jubilee would not be tarnished any more than it already had been,' she writes.
Why would you sign a gagging order for just a year, or any length of time, or settle for £12M when you knew all those other girls were suffering?

Also why hasn't she named other men involved.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
Ms Giuffre says she was forced to have sex with Andrew three times. Then got paid £15K, so money wasn't an issue.
However, in her new book, Ms Giuffre exposes the details of the gagging order she was reportedly asked to sign by the prince.
'I agreed to a one-year gag order, which seemed important to the prince because it ensured that his mother's Platinum Jubilee would not be tarnished any more than it already had been,' she writes.
Why would you sign a gagging order for just a year, or any length of time, or settle for £12M when you knew all those other girls were suffering?
Also why hasn't she named other men involved.

She may have done in this book.

There is no doubt that it will be causing many men who were around in that circle at the time lots of sleepless nights. Clinton, Trump, Stephen Hawkins, have all been named so far.

Apparently every famous, powerful, wealthy man who went to that little island went for one thing. The young girls were groomed and used, kids from poor homes, some could hardly speak English, all there to satisfy Epstein and his mates.

Date: Oct 21 12:09 PM, 2025

Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
That's often said about victims of abuse, including domestic violence, but the reasons for it are complex.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

No one knows how she suffered later on in life. She ended up committing suicide, which hints that she, and her life has been troubled.
Not surprising as she says she was sexually abused at aged seven, then later groomed by Maxwell at 17.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
Ms Giuffre says she was forced to have sex with Andrew three times. Then got paid £15K, so money wasn't an issue.
However, in her new book, Ms Giuffre exposes the details of the gagging order she was reportedly asked to sign by the prince.
'I agreed to a one-year gag order, which seemed important to the prince because it ensured that his mother's Platinum Jubilee would not be tarnished any more than it already had been,' she writes.
Why would you sign a gagging order for just a year, or any length of time, or settle for £12M when you knew all those other girls were suffering?
Also why hasn't she named other men involved.

She may have done in this book.
There is no doubt that it will be causing many men who were around in that circle at the time lots of sleepless nights. Clinton, Trump, Stephen Hawkins, have all been named so far.
Apparently every famous, powerful, wealthy man who went to that little island went for one thing. The young girls were groomed and used, kids from poor homes, some could hardly speak English, all there to satisfy Epstein and his mates.

It makes me feel sick. Money talks. How many more rich and famous Paedos out there. Trump is thinking of commuting Diddy's sentence!

All the nonces stick together. 😡

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

If you are interested in this subject, this is very informative. The author of the book talks openly.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
If you are interested in this subject, this is very informative. The author of the book talks openly.

Ooo yes I will look at this Syl.

Digger · Admin

Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
Ms Giuffre says she was forced to have sex with Andrew three times. Then got paid £15K, so money wasn't an issue.
However, in her new book, Ms Giuffre exposes the details of the gagging order she was reportedly asked to sign by the prince.
'I agreed to a one-year gag order, which seemed important to the prince because it ensured that his mother's Platinum Jubilee would not be tarnished any more than it already had been,' she writes.
Why would you sign a gagging order for just a year, or any length of time, or settle for £12M when you knew all those other girls were suffering?
Also why hasn't she named other men involved.

She did name one particular man at the trial, who denied it but then back pedalled and said she was mistaken. Which I thought odd. Because if you'd have sex with someone several times how can you mistake their identity

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
That's often said about victims of abuse, including domestic violence, but the reasons for it are complex.

She did walk out when she was 18 apparently. Met and married Robert Guiffre who she accused of being violent and then for reasons never explained she was denied access to her children due to her being the abuser so it's all a bit sketchy.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
That's often said about victims of abuse, including domestic violence, but the reasons for it are complex.
She did walk out when she was 18 apparently. Met and married Robert Guiffre who she accused of being violent and then for reasons never explained she was denied access to her children due to her being the abuser so it's all a bit sketchy.

I think people like her are susceptible to being manipulated.

It's sort of a circle. Decent men stay away from crazy women..So crazy women hook up with low quality men, and they do their dance..

As they say, it takes two to tango..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
That's often said about victims of abuse, including domestic violence, but the reasons for it are complex.
She did walk out when she was 18 apparently. Met and married Robert Guiffre who she accused of being violent and then for reasons never explained she was denied access to her children due to her being the abuser so it's all a bit sketchy.
I think people like her are susceptible to being manipulated.

It's sort of a circle. Decent men stay away from crazy women..So crazy women hook up with low quality men, and they do their dance..

As they say, it takes two to tango..

Unfortunately, the tango started with her when she was a young child and her father and uncle raped her.

He denies it...but then, he would, wouldn't he.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
That's often said about victims of abuse, including domestic violence, but the reasons for it are complex.
She did walk out when she was 18 apparently. Met and married Robert Guiffre who she accused of being violent and then for reasons never explained she was denied access to her children due to her being the abuser so it's all a bit sketchy.
I think people like her are susceptible to being manipulated.

It's sort of a circle. Decent men stay away from crazy women..So crazy women hook up with low quality men, and they do their dance..

As they say, it takes two to tango..
Unfortunately, the tango started with her when she was a young child and her father and uncle raped her.
He denies it...but then, he would, wouldn't he.

She was a victim from childhood. Probably had no self esteem,maybe thought she deserved all the abuse men put on her.

She was brave to speak out about Andrew, so why kill herself now. I don't believe she did kill herself tbh.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Her book is out tomorrow. No doubt fresh horrors concerning randy Andy. I don't doubt she suffered greatly but I'm curious as to why she didn't walk away.
That's often said about victims of abuse, including domestic violence, but the reasons for it are complex.
She did walk out when she was 18 apparently. Met and married Robert Guiffre who she accused of being violent and then for reasons never explained she was denied access to her children due to her being the abuser so it's all a bit sketchy.
I think people like her are susceptible to being manipulated.

It's sort of a circle. Decent men stay away from crazy women..So crazy women hook up with low quality men, and they do their dance..

As they say, it takes two to tango..
Unfortunately, the tango started with her when she was a young child and her father and uncle raped her.
He denies it...but then, he would, wouldn't he.

That's true. Some crazy people are.sort of created by their bad experiences.

But so are some outstanding people..🤷

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I have watched a couple of interviews her father, Sky Roberts has given to Piers Morgan, one a couple of years ago, and one just after his daughter allegedly committed suicide.
He was acting the bereaved father, was disgusted with the way his daughter had been treated by British Royalty and every other man who had sex with her at Epstein's behest.
It was her father who got her the job, when she was 15, at a club owned by Trump, who then introduced her to Maxwell and Epstein, who then offered her the job as a masseuse (at 16 years old) where she was groomed. Her father met Epstein, and says he thought he was a 'regular bloke'.

The way Virginia describes the way her father sexual abused her as a child, if it's true....makes him a monster, worse than Maxwell and Epstein combined.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I have watched a couple of interviews her father, Sky Roberts has given to Piers Morgan, one a couple of years ago, and one just after his daughter allegedly committed suicide.
He was acting the bereaved father, was disgusted with the way his daughter had been treated by British Royalty and every other man who had sex with her at Epstein's behest.
It was her father who got her the job, when she was 15, at a club owned by Trump, who then introduced her to Maxwell and Epstein, who then offered her the job as a masseuse (at 16 years old) where she was groomed. Her father met Epstein, and says he thought he was a 'regular bloke'.

The way Virginia describes the way her father sexual abused her as a child, if it's true....makes him a monster, worse than Maxwell and Epstein combined.

My god, he IS a nonce monster. He groomed her, then set her up with other nonces.to abuse and use her. I

I feel sad for her, and I don't think she committed suicide either. Why would she now,after court cases etc, doesn't make sense to me.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I dont know whether she killed herself or not.
Her father has given interviews where he says he believes she was murdered.
I also watched a video of her younger brother and sister in law, they believe her father groomed and raped her, then made money from her. Her brother said when he was young he remembers his father suddenly acquiring big sums of money, buying expensive stuff for himself, he mentioned a boat.

It sounds like the father knew very well what he was doing when he handed her over to Epstein. I wonder where her mother was?

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I dont know whether she killed herself or not.
Her father has given interviews where he says he believes she was murdered.
I also watched a video of her younger brother and sister in law, they believe her father groomed and raped her, then made money from her. Her brother said when he was young he remembers his father suddenly acquiring big sums of money, buying expensive stuff for himself, he mentioned a boat.

It sounds like the father knew very well what he was doing when he handed her over to Epstein. I wonder where her mother was?

What a cheek to call himself her dad!

He is no dad, just a dirty paedo, abusing his daughter and setting her up with the biggest paedo, Epstein.