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Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

RE: Virginia Giuffre

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Guiffre had nothing bad to say about Trump. I suspect the files tell a different story.
Just shows how bent governments are...why are the FBI hanging on to these files I wonder?
There's probably not nearly as many files as people have been led to believe. I don't think Epstein kept files like people think he did..

What there is, is testimony from victims in depositions.

I would say it's past time to release those.

Of course others will say releasing them will prove nothing. It's all hearsay..

I'm also surprised no one has leaked them yet..
Maybe people are scared to blab.
I'm sure these files, lists of names and places etc, have existed, whether they do now is a different matter.
People could be afraid, but I think they could do a Watergate type leak and get away with it.

There's never been any evidence that I know of that suggested Epstein had personal records about who was screwing who..

I think that would have defeated the purpose of his "playground".

I don't think powerful people would allow their activities to be recorded or chronicled. And if they were ever caught (like say Andrew) they would just try to discredit the girls.

Andrew messed up when he allowed his picture to be made. Without it, I doubt he is in much trouble..

I do think the girls depositions are a treasure trove of information. Those records exist somewhere..
He recorded them without their knowledge.But not necessarily being intimate with the girls just introduced. It's led many to believe that Epstein did not die by his own hand. I don't personally believe that though.
If Andrew allowed himself to be photographed Epstein had gained his trust. He certainly gained Trump's trust. He manipulated the men well.

There's no proof he recorded anything.

Again, those recordings would implicate him too..

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Syl wrote:
It would have been covered up.
It seems abuse against women and girls is often deemed not in the public interest.

Virginia Guiffre was brave. She had death threats, some taken so seriously she had to disappear for weeks, and on top of that she has been vilified for years by press and public alike.
It's sad that only after her death her true story is emerging.
THE true story involving all the other young girls and rich powerful men, probably won't ever be known....nothing has changed really.

I agree, she truly was. Nobody has any idea what goes on behind closed doors let alone what gets covered up by the most powerful rich elite.It's such a shame she felt such despair and that there was no way out for her. Maybe the fear of the death threats became too much.

I don't I understand why she was vilified though 🤷What had she done wrong? The media is very misogynistic at times especially with young women.

Maddog · Go Outside

Jeffrey Epstein's Client List: What We Know - Business Insider https://share.google/n8Ly0gcKDVWSWIRjW

The "list" has always been an idea floating around because people want to believe people they despise are on it..

But there is nothing in the girls testimony to indicate there was a client list.

What Epstein did have was a black book full of business and personal contacts..

Basically the same is I have on my phone.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
Jeffrey Epstein's Client List: What We Know - Business Insider https://share.google/n8Ly0gcKDVWSWIRjW

The "list" has always been an idea floating around because people want to believe people they despise are on it..

But there is nothing in the girls testimony to indicate there was a client list.

What Epstein did have was a black book full of business and personal contacts..

Basically the same is I have on my phone.

This journalist(the blonde guest on the show) who interviewed Prince Andrew claimed that he documented the men who visited the island.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 25th of October 2025 08:18:13 PM

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 25th of October 2025 08:19:34 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Jeffrey Epstein's Client List: What We Know - Business Insider https://share.google/n8Ly0gcKDVWSWIRjW

The "list" has always been an idea floating around because people want to believe people they despise are on it..

But there is nothing in the girls testimony to indicate there was a client list.

What Epstein did have was a black book full of business and personal contacts..

Basically the same is I have on my phone.
This journalist(the blonde guest on the show) who interviewed Prince Andrew claimed that he documented the men who visited the island.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 25th of October 2025 08:18:13 PM

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 25th of October 2025 08:19:34 PM

People have claimed all sorts of things.

At this point, I believe nothing without something more than "claims".

Alex Jones makes all sorts of claims too..

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Jeffrey Epstein's Client List: What We Know - Business Insider https://share.google/n8Ly0gcKDVWSWIRjW

The "list" has always been an idea floating around because people want to believe people they despise are on it..

But there is nothing in the girls testimony to indicate there was a client list.

What Epstein did have was a black book full of business and personal contacts..

Basically the same is I have on my phone.
This journalist(the blonde guest on the show) who interviewed Prince Andrew claimed that he documented the men who visited the island.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 25th of October 2025 08:18:13 PM

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 25th of October 2025 08:19:34 PM
People have claimed all sorts of things.

At this point, I believe nothing without something more than "claims".

Alex Jones makes all sorts of claims too..

People who do evil things attempt to cover their tracks Madders and they sometimes do so very well. You must believe it's a very boring world and that people are Angels on Earth if you expect concrete proof for all evil deeds.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Jeffrey Epstein's Client List: What We Know - Business Insider https://share.google/n8Ly0gcKDVWSWIRjW

The "list" has always been an idea floating around because people want to believe people they despise are on it..

But there is nothing in the girls testimony to indicate there was a client list.

What Epstein did have was a black book full of business and personal contacts..

Basically the same is I have on my phone.
This journalist(the blonde guest on the show) who interviewed Prince Andrew claimed that he documented the men who visited the island.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 25th of October 2025 08:18:13 PM

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 25th of October 2025 08:19:34 PM
People have claimed all sorts of things.

At this point, I believe nothing without something more than "claims".

Alex Jones makes all sorts of claims too..
People who do evil things attempt to cover their tracks Madders and they sometimes do so very well. You must believe it's a very boring world and that people are Angels on Earth if you expect concrete proof for all evil deeds.

I didn't say people don't do evil things.

There's just no proof that Epstein chronicled his evil and that of others..

Smart people don't generally do that..

Vam · Go Outside.

If the files are ever released under trump’s watch, they’ll have been so heavily edited by his flunkies at the FBI & the DOJ, that there’d be very little trust in whatever his administration would reveal to the world.

I‘m betting Putin has the entire shebang, unedited and in its original format. Elon Musk, too. And with Israeli Intelligence agencies being known for their dedication and unwavering diligence, I wouldn’t rule out Netanyahu holding some trumpy aces up his sleeve either.

Cue incoming Dawg who’ll disagree, in 3…2…1…

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
If the files are ever released under trump’s watch, they’ll have been so heavily edited by his flunkies at the FBI & the DOJ, that there’d be very little trust in whatever his administration would reveal to the world.
I‘m betting Putin has the entire shebang, unedited and in its original format. Elon Musk, too. And with Israeli Intelligence agencies being known for their dedication and unwavering diligence, I wouldn’t rule out Netanyahu holding some trumpy aces up his sleeve either.
Cue incoming Dawg who’ll disagree, in 3…2…1…

I don't think you are going to see anything released under Trump, or anyone else for a long time.

The best you can hope for is that victims go public and tell their stories..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

It shouldn't be up to the victims, if the FBI have the documents, they should act on them.

Virginia Guiffres life was threatened on more than one occasion, she had to be taken to a safe house for weeks because the threats were considered genuine.
Why should the victims have to be the ones to name names?

Maddog · Go Outside

Also, these files (grand jury testimony) are secret by design.

It's not too difficult to see that there are a some victims that would prefer that their testimony remains secret. "Accidents" happen.

Also, a judge has to release these things and the judge needs to weigh the benefits. It's pretty uncommon for judges to release these type files, that's what trials are for..

Now, what is supposed to happen is the executive branch charges people who appear to have committed a crime. Outside of Epstein and Guiffre, no one has been charged at the state or federal level after a decade of sitting on testimony.🤷

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
It shouldn't be up to the victims, if the FBI have the documents, they should act on them.

Virginia Guiffres life was threatened on more than one occasion, she had to be taken to a safe house for weeks because the threats were considered genuine.
Why should the victims have to be the ones to name names?

If there is evidence of crimes, the role of the FBI is to charge people, not release evidence for public consumption.

So yes, the FBI should act if there is something to act on..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Seems that people are now coming forwards.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Seems that people are now coming forwards.

Good. These nonces, sex abusers must have a reckoning. They must be outed!

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Seems that people are now coming forwards.

I watched some of it.

I didn't hear anything new. Maybe I missed a part where someone says someone other than Epstein or Guiffre abused them? 🤷

We all know that Epstein and Guiffre knew and socialised with influential people.

Maddog · Go Outside

I got Maxwell and Guiffre mixed up.

Guiffre and Gisilane got my neurons and synapses misfiring.

Maddog · Go Outside

Maddog wrote:
I got Maxwell and Guiffre mixed up.

Guiffre and Ghisilane got my neurons and synapses misfiring.

Maddog · Go Outside

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/15/prince-andrew-virginia-giuffre-abuse-epstein-maxwell

This is a great article, but why does she use aliases for all of the other people she was forced to have sex with, except Andrew?

Vam · Go Outside.

Syl wrote:
It shouldn't be up to the victims, if the FBI have the documents, they should act on them.

Virginia Guiffres life was threatened on more than one occasion, she had to be taken to a safe house for weeks because the threats were considered genuine.
Why should the victims have to be the ones to name names?

That! 🎯 👏🏻👏🏻

I wouldn’t count on trump’s FBI to do it, though. You should see the inexperienced clueless clown he appointed to lead it.

👇🏻 This guy’s only qualifying expertise is a blind unquestioning subservience to Trump.