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Maddog · Go Outside

RE: Virginia Giuffre

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well it was only Andrew...I doubt anyone would be assassinated because of him.

Or most of the others she alluded to in the book.

I haven't read the book, I know the name Stephen Hawkins, Cl8nton, some PM or other popped up....and of course Trump.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well it was only Andrew...I doubt anyone would be assassinated because of him.

Or most of the others she alluded to in the book.
I haven't read the book, I know the name Stephen Hawkins, Cl8nton, some PM or other popped up....and of course Trump.

None of those popped up as her sexual partner. Only Andrew and a bunch of people she wouldn't name except by their occupations..

Maddog · Go Outside

"The second person I was lent out to was a psychology professor whose research Epstein was helping to fund. He was a quirky little man with a balding pate of white hair, and, from his nervous affect, it seemed he wasn’t used to being with women. The man never asked directly for sex, but Epstein had made clear that was what he expected. “Keep him happy, like you did with your first client,” Epstein had said. So when the professor asked at one point for “one of your famous massages that Jeffrey has told me so much about”, I complied. We only had sex once, though. The next night, the man told me he wanted to watch movies instead. I was glad, but I remember feeling worried that I’d somehow disappointed the professor in a way that he’d share with Epstein.

The psychologist was only the first of many academics from prestigious universities who I was forced to service sexually. I didn’t know it then, but Epstein had spent years campaigning to keep company with the world’s biggest thinkers. Epstein had convinced himself that he – a college dropout – was on the same level as degree-holding innovators and theoreticians, and because he funded many of their research projects and flew them around on his jets, he was largely welcomed into their fold.

Scientists weren’t the only people Epstein used his vast resources to win access to – which is how I came to be trafficked to a multitude of powerful men. Among them were a gubernatorial candidate who was soon to win election in a western state and a former US senator. Since Epstein usually neglected to introduce me to these men by name, I would only learn who some of them were years later, when I studied photographs of Epstein’s associates and recognised their faces."

From the book and the Guardian link I posted on page 6..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

She was, like I said, scared, who wouldn't be if from the start, Epstein insinuated her younger brother would be harmed if she spoke about what was happening.
Other women who have come forwards have mentioned various other men, including Clinton, Hawkins and Trump, also the ghost writer of the book says she knows lots of names of men involved.
But...like she said, it's not up to her to name names ... it's up to the authorities.
It's a big cover up obviously....imo.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Well it was only Andrew...I doubt anyone would be assassinated because of him.

They said that about Diana. The palace has its own means of ridding them, imo.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
She was, like I said, scared, who wouldn't be if from the start, Epstein insinuated her younger brother would be harmed if she spoke about what was happening.
Other women who have come forwards have mentioned various other men, including Clinton, Hawkins and Trump, also the ghost writer of the book says she knows lots of names of men involved.
But...like she said, it's not up to her to name names ... it's up to the authorities.
It's a big cover up obviously....imo.

Was she still scared of Epstein when she chose to write the book?

Pretty sure he was dead by then.

People have come forward and seen lots of people in the company of Epstein. To be blunt I need to know who screwed under age girls. That's the only thing that's a crime.

People outside of Epstein's circle have named Trump as a sexual partner (Stormy Daniels). They haven't been "unalived".

None of this makes sense. If you're going to write a book and tell us what happened to you, you need to tell us who was involved..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
She was, like I said, scared, who wouldn't be if from the start, Epstein insinuated her younger brother would be harmed if she spoke about what was happening.
Other women who have come forwards have mentioned various other men, including Clinton, Hawkins and Trump, also the ghost writer of the book says she knows lots of names of men involved.
But...like she said, it's not up to her to name names ... it's up to the authorities.
It's a big cover up obviously....imo.
Was she still scared of Epstein when she chose to write the book?

Pretty sure he was dead by then.

People have come forward and seen lots of people in the company of Epstein. To be blunt I need to know who screwed under age girls. That's the only thing that's a crime.

People outside of Epstein's circle have named Trump as a sexual partner (Stormy Daniels). They haven't been "unalived".

None of this makes sense. If you're going to write a book and tell us what happened to you, you need to tell us who was involved..

Well considering Epstein was probably murdered ...she no doubt was scared.

'Screwing underage girls' was not the only crime.

For a start, procuring, pimping and grooming underage girls are also crimes.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
She was, like I said, scared, who wouldn't be if from the start, Epstein insinuated her younger brother would be harmed if she spoke about what was happening.
Other women who have come forwards have mentioned various other men, including Clinton, Hawkins and Trump, also the ghost writer of the book says she knows lots of names of men involved.
But...like she said, it's not up to her to name names ... it's up to the authorities.
It's a big cover up obviously....imo.
Was she still scared of Epstein when she chose to write the book?

Pretty sure he was dead by then.

People have come forward and seen lots of people in the company of Epstein. To be blunt I need to know who screwed under age girls. That's the only thing that's a crime.

People outside of Epstein's circle have named Trump as a sexual partner (Stormy Daniels). They haven't been "unalived".

None of this makes sense. If you're going to write a book and tell us what happened to you, you need to tell us who was involved..
Well considering Epstein was probably murdered ...she no doubt was scared.
'Screwing underage girls' was not the only crime.
For a start, procuring, pimping and grooming underage girls are also crimes.

Wasn't too scared to write a book..

And the crimes all have to do with unde age girls..That was my point..

Guiffre named Epstein.

She named Andrew.

Why fear naming some Harvard professor?.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
She was, like I said, scared, who wouldn't be if from the start, Epstein insinuated her younger brother would be harmed if she spoke about what was happening.
Other women who have come forwards have mentioned various other men, including Clinton, Hawkins and Trump, also the ghost writer of the book says she knows lots of names of men involved.
But...like she said, it's not up to her to name names ... it's up to the authorities.
It's a big cover up obviously....imo.
Was she still scared of Epstein when she chose to write the book?

Pretty sure he was dead by then.

People have come forward and seen lots of people in the company of Epstein. To be blunt I need to know who screwed under age girls. That's the only thing that's a crime.

People outside of Epstein's circle have named Trump as a sexual partner (Stormy Daniels). They haven't been "unalived".

None of this makes sense. If you're going to write a book and tell us what happened to you, you need to tell us who was involved..
Well considering Epstein was probably murdered ...she no doubt was scared.
'Screwing underage girls' was not the only crime.
For a start, procuring, pimping and grooming underage girls are also crimes.
Wasn't too scared to write a book..

And the crimes all have to do with unde age girls..That was my point..

Guiffre named Epstein.

She named Andrew.

Why fear naming some Harvard professor?.

I don't know Maddog.

I find it hard to be in the same mindset of a woman who was raped and sexually abused from the age of seven. I know I have sympathy for her, and believe she was a very brave woman to have spoken out ... and in doing so has raised awareness and also founded a charity to help survivors of sex trafficking.

You keep picking holes in her story though.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
She was, like I said, scared, who wouldn't be if from the start, Epstein insinuated her younger brother would be harmed if she spoke about what was happening.
Other women who have come forwards have mentioned various other men, including Clinton, Hawkins and Trump, also the ghost writer of the book says she knows lots of names of men involved.
But...like she said, it's not up to her to name names ... it's up to the authorities.
It's a big cover up obviously....imo.
Was she still scared of Epstein when she chose to write the book?

Pretty sure he was dead by then.

People have come forward and seen lots of people in the company of Epstein. To be blunt I need to know who screwed under age girls. That's the only thing that's a crime.

People outside of Epstein's circle have named Trump as a sexual partner (Stormy Daniels). They haven't been "unalived".

None of this makes sense. If you're going to write a book and tell us what happened to you, you need to tell us who was involved..
Well considering Epstein was probably murdered ...she no doubt was scared.
'Screwing underage girls' was not the only crime.
For a start, procuring, pimping and grooming underage girls are also crimes.
Wasn't too scared to write a book..

And the crimes all have to do with unde age girls..That was my point..

Guiffre named Epstein.

She named Andrew.

Why fear naming some Harvard professor?.
I don't know Maddog.
I find it hard to be in the same mindset of a woman who was raped and sexually abused from the age of seven. I know I have sympathy for her, and believe she was a very brave woman to have spoken out ... and in doing so has raised awareness and also founded a charity to help survivors of sex trafficking.

You keep picking holes in her story though.

Her story is void of facts and details..

And you have no idea if she was raped at 7.

She wrote a book, that revealed nothing we didn't already know based on the conviction of Epstein..

The FBI has provided no other names and she didn't either.

I guess I just require proof before I consider anything to be a fact..

I don't operate on intuition.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I have no idea if you are a man with a beard and a daft hat or a cross dressing ballet dancer from the Chicken Shack.
I believe the former because I do operate on intuition, and logic, and facts if available.

Virginia said she was sexually abused by her father, I believe her, her brothers and sister in law believed her, having seen her father be interviewed, I believe her even more.
You don't have to believe her...that's your choice.

Maddog · Go Outside

I'm a cross dressing ballet dancer..

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I have no idea if you are a man with a beard and a daft hat or a cross dressing ballet dancer from the Chicken Shack.
I believe the former because I do operate on intuition, and logic, and facts if available.

Virginia said she was sexually abused by her father, I believe her, her brothers and sister in law believed her, having seen her father be interviewed, I believe her even more.
You don't have to believe her...that's your choice.

I believe Syl lol

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
I have no idea if you are a man with a beard and a daft hat or a cross dressing ballet dancer from the Chicken Shack.
I believe the former because I do operate on intuition, and logic, and facts if available.

Virginia said she was sexually abused by her father, I believe her, her brothers and sister in law believed her, having seen her father be interviewed, I believe her even more.
You don't have to believe her...that's your choice.

I believe Syl lol

Digger · Admin

Andrew will no longer be known as a prince and is to leave Royal Lodge, Buckingham Palace has confirmed.

In a bombshell statement released tonight, Buckingham Palace said he will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor - with immediate effect.

Magica · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Andrew will no longer be known as a prince and is to leave Royal Lodge, Buckingham Palace has confirmed.
In a bombshell statement released tonight, Buckingham Palace said he will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor - with immediate effect.

Brilliant news Was watching this on news. He had to go, I reckon more will be revealed!

Harry and the meg next please!

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Andrew will no longer be known as a prince and is to leave Royal Lodge, Buckingham Palace has confirmed.
In a bombshell statement released tonight, Buckingham Palace said he will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor - with immediate effect.

So Andy Windsor?

Magica · Go Outside

Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Andrew will no longer be known as a prince and is to leave Royal Lodge, Buckingham Palace has confirmed.
In a bombshell statement released tonight, Buckingham Palace said he will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor - with immediate effect.

So Andy Windsor?

Couldn't happen to a moten nasty vile man, he thought he was.untouchable!

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

As far as I know he is the first English Prince to ever have his title taken away...will Harry be next?

That young girl who stood beside Andrew in the infamous pic all those years ago, not only brought down one of the vilest paedophiles in modern history, but her bravery in speaking out and campaigning for justice for other victims of groomers and sex traffickers, has rocked the royal family and brought to the fore other powerful abusers.

Sad she died before the full extent of her bravery was known.