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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

RE: Meghan's Moon Bump or is it?

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:

Lots of strange events, when people are killed or commit suicide (remember David Kelly??) are put down to conspiracy theories when people question the official verdict.... it's one way to try to shut people up.
And yet some conspiracy theories are just that - conspiracy theories, and it's right to call them that. The Diana one was started by an unstable al-Fayed who claimed that she was assassinated as a result of a plot by the Duke of Edinburgh and Diana's sister to have her eradicated because she was expecting the child of a Muslim. (he claimed she was pregnant at the time of her death, but the post-mortem revealed otherwise).
One explanation with his obsession with his theory was that it detracted from the reality that it was one of his own employees who was drunk and crashed the car that killed Diana and his son. His plot story was widely publicised at the time by the likes of the Express and other publications, and quickly gained traction from there.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-the-only-conspiracy-over-diana-s-death-was-fayed-s-bid-to-manipulate-the-british-public-804548.html

Some conspiracy theories are ridiculous without a shred of truth, but many go along with them because it fits in with their feelings about people.
However, the death of Diana, and theories about what happened that night, were certainly not started by Fayed...he fought the official verdict, and was convinced his events were right, but most people made their own minds up, as the growing evidence came in.

Do you really think a white fiat car could be involved in the death of three people, one the most famous woman in the world, and then immediately disappear from the face of the earth? French police and the Brit Met were flummoxed?
Rumour had it (a decade later) an ordinary young man was driving, but he resprayed the car....and went about his business as if nothing had happened.
Asny ordinary hit and run would be solved within days....not so this one.

Speaking publicly for the first time, Le Van admits he was driving his car in Paris on the night Diana was killed and, in an exclusive interview, his father Francois has provided the most compelling evidence yet that his son was involved in the crash and took part in a cover-up after fleeing the scene.

He recalls Le Van, then 22, returning home from his job as a night-time security guard in a frightened and bewildered state but unwilling to tell his father what was troubling him.

Instead, he had a whispered conversation with his brother Dung, who worked as a mechanic, which culminated in the brothers rushing off in the middle of the night to radically alter the appearance of Le Van's 15-year-old car.

During the next two hours, and with no one else around, the brothers resprayed the white Fiat a bright red.

Breaking a nine-year silence, Francois said: "I do not want to believe that Le Van was in the tunnel that night but I know as a father that he has said things which just do not add up.

"He behaved very strangely at the time and has behaved strangely since.

"Dung helped with the respray of the car but he will not talk to me about it. What I do know is that the Fiat was resprayed very soon after the crash that killed your Princess - only a few hours later.

"Police became involved and everything became very serious afterwards."

When the black Mercedes was examined by French forensic scientists, they found scrapings on the right rear wing of the white paint from the Fiat Uno it struck moments before it crashed.

Analysis subsequently showed that it was most compatible with the Bianco Corfu 224 paint scheme used by Fiat on its Unos between 1983 and September 1987.

This immediately excluded French paparazzi James Andanson, whom Mohamed Al Fayed named as an assassin, because his nine-year-old vehicle was first registered in 1988, a year after Fiat stopped using Bianco Corfu 224.

The Paris Criminal Brigade, however, continued to investigate Andanson - and the Operation Paget report has also pointed out that the Bianco 210 paint on his car was almost indistinguishable from Bianco Corfu 224.

However, inquiries about Andanson ended when it was established that his Fiat Uno was off the road at the time - resting on bricks at his home 170 miles away from Paris.

In his report, Lord Stevens dismissed suggestions Andanson had been part of a murder plot against Princess Diana by pointing out that if he had been, he would hardly have used a vehicle registered in his own name.

French police tracked down more than 4,000 white Unos before narrowing the possibilities down to just two - one belonging to Andanson, the other to Le Van.

Le Van told detectives the respray had been done a few hours before the crash, on the afternoon of Saturday, August 30.

He was allowed to go free after six hours of questioning - despite the white paint underneath matching that found on the wrecked Mercedes.

In his report, Lord Stevens wrote: "The French experts ruled the car out because they could find no trace of damage at the likely point of impact and the rear light fittings showed a date of manufacture which matched the vehicle."

But Lord Stevens suggested the driver could simply have bought a second-hand light. Crucially, Le Van's brother was a mechanic and there was also a two-month gap between the crash and interviewing him - ample time to find an ideal replacement.

The Stevens report also says the Operation Paget team spoke to a friend of Le Van who said the respray took place after the crash - conflicting with what Le Van told them in a brief phone conversation.

Le Van also told French investigators that he could not have been at the Alma Tunnel at the time of the crash because he was working as a security guard at a Renault factory in Gennevilliers, just outside Paris, between 7pm and 7am.

But although he gave police the address of the car plant, his family say neither the French nor British police spoke to colleagues to verify his alibi.

The crash also occurred almost half- way through his shift - when he would have been entitled to a break, with his father's home just a short ride away.

Tellingly, he also admitted to detectives that he had his muzzled rottweiler in the rear of his car - eyewitnesses to the devastation in the tunnel described the Fiat Uno as having a large dog wearing a muzzle or bandana in the back.

Date: Jun 17 2:49 PM, 2025

Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:

Lots of strange events, when people are killed or commit suicide (remember David Kelly??) are put down to conspiracy theories when people question the official verdict.... it's one way to try to shut people up.
And yet some conspiracy theories are just that - conspiracy theories, and it's right to call them that. The Diana one was started by an unstable al-Fayed who claimed that she was assassinated as a result of a plot by the Duke of Edinburgh and Diana's sister to have her eradicated because she was expecting the child of a Muslim. (he claimed she was pregnant at the time of her death, but the post-mortem revealed otherwise).
One explanation with his obsession with his theory was that it detracted from the reality that it was one of his own employees who was drunk and crashed the car that killed Diana and his son. His plot story was widely publicised at the time by the likes of the Express and other publications, and quickly gained traction from there.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-the-only-conspiracy-over-diana-s-death-was-fayed-s-bid-to-manipulate-the-british-public-804548.html

Some conspiracy theories are ridiculous without a shred of truth, but many go along with them because it fits in with their feelings about people.
However, the death of Diana, and theories about what happened that night, were certainly not started by Fayed...he fought the official verdict, and was convinced his events were right, but most people made their own minds up, as the growing evidence came in.

Do you really think a white fiat car could be involved in the death of three people, one the most famous woman in the world, and then immediately disappear from the face of the earth? French police and the Brit Met were flummoxed?
Rumour had it (a decade later) an ordinary young man was driving, but he resprayed the car....and went about his business as if nothing had happened.
Asny ordinary hit and run would be solved within days....not so this one.

Just to answer the points you raised:

. theories about what happened that night, were certainly not started by Fayed

if not him, do you know who did?

. Do you really think a white fiat car could be involved in the death of three people, one the most famous woman in the world, and then immediately disappear from the face of the earth?

No, but the car presumably didn't disappear from the face of the earth, it was a more case of without any identifying evidence it couldn't be traced

. Asny ordinary hit and run would be solved within days

Most hit an runs go unsolved. Also, I believe the head of the crime investigation unit said it was the mercedes that hit the fiat, not vice-versa?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.

I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.

I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.

All the evidence that the white Fiat was found contradicted each theory Mags.

I think the final verdict was....no one knows for sure if it was found or who was driving it.

Vam · Musing at the Chaos

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.

I doubt that too, Mags.

But Dodi Al-Fayed did buy a ring in Paris, and the inscription (in French) translated as ’Tell me yes’.

I’m pretty sure the news of that would have caused a cacophony of clanging alarm bells within the Royal Family - especially Prince Philip & Princess Anne.

Which is why I’m sticking with my post earlier in this thread.

Date: Jun 17 4:22 PM, 2025

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.

I could remembering wrong but wasn’t that a renowned pap? Years ago I watched a Diana documentary and it later mentioned him/burnt out car. He came across as quite sleazy and ruthless if it’s the same bloke.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

As far as I know, this is the latest verdict on the white fiat....it , and it's driver, was simply never found.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/not-finding-white-fiat-uno-210000241.html

Magica · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.
I could remembering wrong but wasn’t that a renowned pap? Years ago I watched a Diana documentary and it later mentioned him/burnt out car. He came across as quite sleazy and ruthless if it’s the same bloke.

Oh maybe it was anon. Syl said the driver of the white Fiat and car was never found.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.
I could remembering wrong but wasn’t that a renowned pap? Years ago I watched a Diana documentary and it later mentioned him/burnt out car. He came across as quite sleazy and ruthless if it’s the same bloke.
Oh maybe it was anon. Syl said the driver of the white Fiat and car was never found.

There were various rumours of who had owned the car, but the latest news about it (that I know) was the female French policewoman who had been on the case, she said it was the one unfinished piece of evidence that they had never found.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.
I could remembering wrong but wasn’t that a renowned pap? Years ago I watched a Diana documentary and it later mentioned him/burnt out car. He came across as quite sleazy and ruthless if it’s the same bloke.
Oh maybe it was anon. Syl said the driver of the white Fiat and car was never found.
There were various rumours of who had owned the car, but the latest news about it (that I know) was the female French policewoman who had been on the case, she said it was the one unfinished piece of evidence that they had never found.

Ok, thanks Syl x

Date: Jun 18 1:13 PM, 2025

Magica wrote:
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

Who in your opinion asked for it to be done? The Duke of Edinburgh, as al-Fayed claimed, or someone else in the royal family?

Date: Jun 18 5:10 PM, 2025

Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.
I could remembering wrong but wasn’t that a renowned pap? Years ago I watched a Diana documentary and it later mentioned him/burnt out car. He came across as quite sleazy and ruthless if it’s the same bloke.
Oh maybe it was anon. Syl said the driver of the white Fiat and car was never found.

Dead photographer’s name was James Andanson, he owned a white Fiat Uno but was found burning in a Mercedes. Al-Fayed claimed he was involved with the Secret Service…Andanson died after bragging about taking photos of the crash scene yet it’s claimed he had an alibi for the night of the crash…his death was put down as a suicide. On and on it goes. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512872/Photographer-accused-helping-MI6-kill-Diana-dead-burnt-BMW-hole-head.html

Date: Jun 18 6:12 PM, 2025

Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.
I could remembering wrong but wasn’t that a renowned pap? Years ago I watched a Diana documentary and it later mentioned him/burnt out car. He came across as quite sleazy and ruthless if it’s the same bloke.
Oh maybe it was anon. Syl said the driver of the white Fiat and car was never found.
Dead photographer’s name was James Andanson, he owned a white Fiat Uno but was found burning in a Mercedes*. Al-Fayed claimed he was involved with the Secret Service…Andanson died after bragging about taking photos of the crash scene yet it’s claimed he had an alibi for the night of the crash…his death was put down as a suicide. On and on it goes. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512872/Photographer-accused-helping-MI6-kill-Diana-dead-burnt-BMW-hole-head.html

Edit: *Daily Mail says BMW other articles I’ve read claim Mercedes, so who knows.

Date: Jun 18 6:22 PM, 2025

Meggy is now claiming her kids are selling home grown produce at a local market - a market that only seems to be open in school hours.

To hell with those security worries eh.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The above post by Digger just highlights... the actual car that killed three people, one being the most famous woman in the world, was never proven to be found.

I, and millions like me, didn't have to read Fayeds 'theories' about what happened and why.
For one, I don't agree with his theories, and for 2, when I watched it all play out on TV (I got out of bed and turned the news on as soon as it had been reported the princess had 'hurt her arm' in a car crash in Paris) It soon became clear it was far more serious than a hurt arm.

No one will convince me that this was a simple RTA, and the investigations, both private and public, have just made it more certain to me that she was assassinated.
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

The white car was found, burnt out with the driver inside. That's got to be suss.
I doubt she was pregnant tbh she loved that doctor, not Dodi allegedly.
I could remembering wrong but wasn’t that a renowned pap? Years ago I watched a Diana documentary and it later mentioned him/burnt out car. He came across as quite sleazy and ruthless if it’s the same bloke.
Oh maybe it was anon. Syl said the driver of the white Fiat and car was never found.
Dead photographer’s name was James Andanson, he owned a white Fiat Uno but was found burning in a Mercedes*. Al-Fayed claimed he was involved with the Secret Service…Andanson died after bragging about taking photos of the crash scene yet it’s claimed he had an alibi for the night of the crash…his death was put down as a suicide. On and on it goes. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512872/Photographer-accused-helping-MI6-kill-Diana-dead-burnt-BMW-hole-head.html
Edit: *Daily Mail says BMW other articles I’ve read claim Mercedes, so who knows.

That burned out car incident happened 2 years after Diana died.

Who's to say the Mercedes didn't clip the Fiat? They knew the Mercedes was speeding.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
I agree Syl. She was murdered imo.

Who in your opinion asked for it to be done? The Duke of Edinburgh, as al-Fayed claimed, or someone else in the royal family?

It was an accident. They weren't wearing seatbelts.

Tom Treasure, a cardiothoracic surgeon, reviews the details of the crash. "[Diana] was taken from the car, and she was conscious when they took her out," he says. "Her circulation was in trouble, fast pulse and low blood pressure, indicating internal bleeding."

Treasure then explains the heart injury that Diana sustained from sitting sideways without a seatbelt when the car came to an abrupt stop. He reveals that had the circumstances been different that night, allowing her rare heart injury to be identified earlier, she may have had a chance.

"It was survivable," he said.

Date: Jun 19 9:24 AM, 2025

What I can't fathom is why, rather than just entertaining the murder theory as a possibility, people then go a step too far and convince themselves it's a fact. It's the same for all conspiracy theories - yes such and such a scenario could be possible, but that doesn't mean it actually happened. I guess what's needed is for people to question their own ideas, and be wary of being taken in by them - although I guess it's human nature to defend one's own opinions to the hilt.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
What I can't fathom is why, rather than just entertaining the murder theory as a possibility, people then go a step too far and convince themselves it's a fact. It's the same for all conspiracy theories - yes such and such a scenario could be possible, but that doesn't mean it actually happened. I guess what's needed is for people to question their own ideas, and be wary of being taken in by them - although I guess it's human nature to defend one's own opinions to the hilt.

It's good to have debate and differing opinions but the internet is loaded with misinformation - the burned out fiat story is typical. When you look at the facts, what actually happened, it's obviously several factors that led to the deaths. The driver having had drink AND antidepressants in his system. The speed of the vehicle. The lack of seatbelts. It was a tragedy for sure, but the fantasy that she was bumped off by the Royals doesn't add up.