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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Are women their own worst enemies?

Maddog · Go Outside

Mean Girls is more than just a movie.

And let's look at athletics. If women supported fenals athletes, stadiums would be full when they played and the athletes would be as wealthy as the men..

Women, for the most part, have made the Kardashians billionaires, while the greatest athletes suffer in anonymity and a very middle class income.

Now, will women stop attacking each other to go after a male they don't like? Absolutely. But that's just temporary.

Date: Jul 22 6:11 PM, 2025

I don’t think it’s about women. It’s about women and men.

Anyone who spouts equality whlist being a hypocrite at the same time is their own worst enemy.

You can’t talk about men calling people “mingers“ but call a fellow woman “roadkill” on the same forum.

You can’t run a porn site and then moan about men objectifying women.

Too many double standard.

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Generally not, but they can be.

Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.

They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

Or maybe that's just me.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

Or maybe that's just me.

Back them from what? Other women?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

Or maybe that's just me.
Back them from what? Other women?

Back them from whatever they need to be backed up from. Personally, from my own experiences in life, generally, I have found women to be very supportive of each other.

Maddog · Go Outside

Then there's the research........

"This will not be news to any woman and most men have figured it out too – females often treat each other horribly.

That’s been proven by a new project from the University of Ottawa that examined how female students react to a rival."

The science of why women are critical of attractive females https://share.google/JTXaxV1dHz90W6syd

Maddog · Go Outside

The science of why women are critical of attractive females https://share.google/JTXaxV1dHz90W6syd

Maddog · Go Outside

mynorthwest.com/uncategorized/the-science-of-why-women-are-critical-of-attractive-females/4985

Maddog · Go Outside

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/out-of-the-ooze/201804/why-pretty-girls-can-be-so-vulnerable-to-bullying

Maybe women figure it out late in life, but the young ones can cause girls to unalive themselves

Maddog · Go Outside

"It has been well-established that men are more physically aggressive than women. However, women are much more likely to engage in what is called indirect “relational” aggression, and gossip is often the weapon of choice. Consequently, women are more likely than men to ostracize others, a sex difference that shows up as early as age 6."

You know, like discussing an athletes spray tan...🙄

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

Or maybe that's just me.

I don't generally like the "women are their own worst enemies" trope as it comes across as gaslighting sometimes - women cannot trust their emotional or intellectual response to a given situation and therefore need the guidance of someone else (usually a man or a woman who thinks male traits are elevated) to work things out.

Maddog has posted some interesting research but to me the broader theme is competition for status and resources. Both men and women engage in this behaviour, except in different ways.

Just as an aside, what this topic highlights to me is how important it is in life to have people you love you can respectfully disagree with you and point out a different path. We all have our blindspots so a true and honest friend who helps you identify them helps your life improve.

Vam · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
"It has been well-established that men are more physically aggressive than women. However, women are much more likely to engage in what is called indirect “relational” aggression, and gossip is often the weapon of choice. Consequently, women are more likely than men to ostracize others, a sex difference that shows up as early as age 6."

You know, like discussing an athletes spray tan...🙄

🥱 Ah stop with the drama and the psychobabble , fgs.

Spray tans can look great, but less is always more. That woman‘s tan looked like she’d been sprayed with a streaky layer of creosote. Far from ostracism, I’d call it constructive criticism.

And as for ‘indirect relational aggression’, if I knew the woman personally I wouldn’t hesitate in directly telling her ‘Who sprayed you? Get a refund!’.

I‘ll take a woman who will always be brutally honest about how I look or what I wear, over some simpering mealy-mouthed faker who tells me I look great while being secretly thrilled if I look rough AF.

Vam · Musing at the Chaos

Barksdale wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

Or maybe that's just me.
I don't generally like the "women are their own worst enemies" trope as it comes across as gaslighting sometimes - women cannot trust their emotional or intellectual response to a given situation and therefore need the guidance of someone else (usually a man or a woman who thinks male traits are elevated) to work things out.
Maddog has posted some interesting research but to me the broader theme is competition for status and resources. Both men and women engage in this behaviour, except in different ways.
Just as an aside, what this topic highlights to me is how important it is in life to have people you love you can respectfully disagree with you and point out a different path. We all have our blindspots so a true and honest friend who helps you identify them helps your life improve.

☝🏻 This 🎯

And, as always, you‘ve expressed it better than I could ever hope to.

Vam · Musing at the Chaos

Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

Or maybe that's just me.

It’s not just you.

But some women would be wise to figure out the saying ‘karma’s not a bitch, unless you’re one first’.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
"It has been well-established that men are more physically aggressive than women. However, women are much more likely to engage in what is called indirect “relational” aggression, and gossip is often the weapon of choice. Consequently, women are more likely than men to ostracize others, a sex difference that shows up as early as age 6."

You know, like discussing an athletes spray tan...🙄

This is a different thread....grudge holder.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Barksdale wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

Or maybe that's just me.
I don't generally like the "women are their own worst enemies" trope as it comes across as gaslighting sometimes - women cannot trust their emotional or intellectual response to a given situation and therefore need the guidance of someone else (usually a man or a woman who thinks male traits are elevated) to work things out.
Maddog has posted some interesting research but to me the broader theme is competition for status and resources. Both men and women engage in this behaviour, except in different ways.
Just as an aside, what this topic highlights to me is how important it is in life to have people you love you can respectfully disagree with you and point out a different path. We all have our blindspots so a true and honest friend who helps you identify them helps your life improve.

100%.

Being a good friend is one of life's joys.Having a good friend is a blessing.

I agree with Vam too, no one wants a 'yes mate'....give me someone who will tell me the truth, even when I don't particularly want it, any day.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

Or maybe that's just me.
It’s not just you.
But some women would be wise to figure out the saying ‘karma’s not a bitch, unless you’re one first’.

Throughout my life, working with, meeting, mixing, and making friends with women from all walks of life, I can honestly say I have only encountered a handful of real bitches.

Not bad going, and it's definitely formed my opinion that in general, despite various different 'studies', women usually do like other women.

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"It has been well-established that men are more physically aggressive than women. However, women are much more likely to engage in what is called indirect “relational” aggression, and gossip is often the weapon of choice. Consequently, women are more likely than men to ostracize others, a sex difference that shows up as early as age 6."

You know, like discussing an athletes spray tan...🙄
🥱 Ah stop with the drama and the psychobabble , fgs.
Spray tans can look great, but less is always more. That woman‘s tan looked like she’d been sprayed with a streaky layer of creosote. Far from ostracism, I’d call it constructive criticism.
And as for ‘indirect relational aggression’, if I knew the woman personally I wouldn’t hesitate in directly telling her ‘Who sprayed you? Get a refund!’.
I‘ll take a woman who will always be brutally honest about how I look or what I wear, over some simpering mealy-mouthed faker who tells me I look great while being secretly thrilled if I look rough AF.

Apparently the folks at Sports Illustrated who have been shooting models for decades, disagreed with your assessment of the spray tan. I didn't even know it was a spray tan..

And women usually aren't a problem in their own little clique, but to women who are outside of it.

It's why the blue haired cat ladies are nasty to pretty girls. Or at least hold them in contempt. Of course their fine with other blue haired cat ladies. They are honoring their vows to the movement..