ChaoticMusings

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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More psychobabble.....😉

"There are endless examples of physically attractive girls being bullied by other girls, and parents regularly share such stories on social media. One North Shore Chicago mother of a girl who modeled professionally spoke of the frequency with which her daughter has been told that she is ugly and that she should kill herself. Swedish supermodel Paulina Porizkova reports that she was bullied mercilessly throughout her childhood. Model/actress Brittany Mason, a former “Miss Indiana,” thought about killing herself to escape her peers' gossip and bullying: At a homecoming rally at her high school, for example, a group created a poster with her picture on it and waved it around while chanting, “You are ugly.”"

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 Of course some females can be jealous of other women they see as more attractive, successful/whatever, but it's not the norm, certainly not in my experience.

Obviously, social media will highlight those stories of mean girls. The females (millions of them) who are not bullied, won't bother telling social media they are NOT bullied, will they?

Maddog, you have pretty daughters, an attractive girlfriend, an ex wife,  did they act like that to other women.

Considering you are surrounded by women, you seem to have a really bad opinion of us.

 

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 No they don't, but they all have had to deal with that bullshit more than I have. I had to console daughters more than once over the mean barbs from their female friends..

 

It's not like it's a universal trait, it's just more common in females, and studies prove that..

 

That's why you'll never see a movie titled "Mean Boys". The premise is silly..

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 Maybe the reason a film won't be made titled Mean Boys, is because most big film companies are owned by men.

 

If they were not, we would see plenty films made about mysogonistic incels.

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 Men who will make RomComs that appeal to women.

 

 

This has nothing to do with who owns film companies..

Barksdale wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

You raised daughters, just like me. Did you never notice how 2 girls could have a sleep over and be fine, while 3 created problems? 

And that's with girls who are friends.

I think my articles are more than just interesting, but they go deep into analyzing the interactions between females. 

I guess it's just psychobabble to many. Can't compete with their anecdotal evidence that is so clouded by their bias that they can't even see what they are doing, when they do it..

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 LOL - I observed that re: 3 or more girls in a group could get a bit crazy more times than I care to mention. But as you say I raised girls so I don't have a benchmark of raising boys that I can compare it to to know it is different.

Maybe women have behaviour traits evolutionarily hard baked into their biological sex. Maybe they have been socially conditioned to act in a certain way by a power structure that traditionally favoured men. Maybe men knew instinctively or consciously that keeping women divided amongst each other was a good way to ensure our dominant position wasn't challenged.

You mentioned bias and I think that is exactly right. It applies to the research as well and we need to know how well that has been controlled for, if at all. Sometimes you get what you go looking for a create self reinforcing stereotypes which are false negatives/positives due to poor study structure.

I think we need to be very cautious because social media is creating some toxic and unfavour narratives about women (and men too for that matter) which don't have a basis in the reality that I see when I go about my daily life. If you believe what you read online modern women will only date a 666 man (minimum 6 feet tall, minimum 6 figure salary, minimum 6 inc...errr....you can guess the rest.) However, from what I can see from my work and social setting that just isn't true. There's also the narrative that women are like dogs with a Pavlovian response so you have to treat them a certain way (usually some sort of manipulation) to keep them interested etc. 

It's mostly crap and as the father of 2 girls I am interested in contributing to a world which treats them fairly. Not asking for preferential treatment, just that they can be seen for their individual humanity, which has both good and bad elements to it. 

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 I think trying to figure out why the results are what they are is where bias comes into play.

 

Measuring the results of certain experiments should be fairly straightforward and free from bias.

 

Comparing different reactions between men and women is quantifiable. It's when you start saying why they react differently that bias can creep in..

Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Barksdale wrote:

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Generally not, but they can be.

Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype. 

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 They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

 

Or maybe that's just me.

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 Back them from what? Other women? 

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 Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.

Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.

About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.

When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering.  For the first time since I had been going there  she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.

Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention

 I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.

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 Thank you Fluffy.

Why would I give you trouble? You have always been very nice, and I treat people as I find them.

I honestly don't understand women who resent another woman because some leering twat was having a good look at the prettier womans figure....blaming you for a letchers actions is ridiculous.

I'm sure there are better manicurists around, give them your custom in future. 

Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Men rule Hollywood....they always have. That'll be why you see aged men in films making love to beautiful young women, whilst ageing female film stars are out of work, or playing the mad granny. 

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 You see what you see because it sells to the public. 

 

Unless you're talking about French language indie films or some shit like that..

 

 

Mean Girls wasn't a hit because Hollywood wanted it to be..

 

It resonated   

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 Mean girls was a hit because some male producer picked young attractive women (plus the author) to star....it was a bit of froth aimed at the teenage market.

 

"A whopping 75% of Mean Girls' audience was female, while 50% was under the age of 18, according to Paramount's research. Over 90% of moviegoers rated the picture either "excellent" or "very good" and even those outside the target demographic, such as men in their 30's, were over 80%."

Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Men rule Hollywood....they always have. That'll be why you see aged men in films making love to beautiful young women, whilst ageing female film stars are out of work, or playing the mad granny. 

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 You see what you see because it sells to the public. 

 

Unless you're talking about French language indie films or some shit like that..

 

 

Mean Girls wasn't a hit because Hollywood wanted it to be..

 

It resonated   

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 Mean girls was a hit because some male producer picked young attractive women (plus the author) to star....it was a bit of froth aimed at the teenage market.

 

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 What gender do you think filled the theaters? 

 

I can assure, you I never watched it..

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 Neither did I, it was teenage froth aimed at teenage girls....and tbh, I have no idea why you brought it up in the first place....are you channelling Original Quill?

Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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 They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

 

Or maybe that's just me.

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 Back them from what? Other women? 

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 Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.

Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.

About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.

When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering.  For the first time since I had been going there  she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.

Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention

 I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.

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 It's not just me. 

 

Because my job is data driven, I seek that out. 

 

I like to cite sources and not just rely on my anecdotal evidence, because that is clouded in life experience and biases   

 

When I write a report, I can't say "I feel or I think". I have to say "based on research and reconciliation of the data, the following is considered to be reasonable"..

 

That can be boring in this format.....

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 ..no not at all..!    I'm joking, I don't find you boring, never have.  Your evidence was spot on, I've read the one experiment before.

 Syl and yourself almost never disagree  on anything ,it's amazing! 

Syl wrote:

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 A bit off-topic, but I have never visited a manicurist in my life, I paint my own nails.

Try OPI, Princesses Rule. It brilliant, doesn't chip, and it's a pale varnish that is quite forgiving if you are not practiced at painting your own nails.

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 Given the topic of this thread, are you sure that’s a nail varnish shade and not the findings of ‘data-driven research’, or your subconscious projecting your inner Mean Girl? 😜

Gotta love a good Freudian slip! 😂 

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 08:38:25 PM

Syl wrote:

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We do disagree, Fluffy. In fact, I think I disagree with Maddog more than I disagree with my own  husband. 

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 I was being ironic but it doesn't come across! 

I know OPI and have thought it was brilliant when I used it before. I shall take a look at that shade. Thankyou