ChaoticMusings

Syl wrote:

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Robots would make good fighting machines, no empathy, hesitation or second thoughts
I'm surprised they haven't been put to use in that way before now.

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 It's for this reason I don't understand why young men and women are falling in love with their A.I "partners" ! Some of Gen Z are so disillusioned by their futile attempts to find real relationships they are dating AI partners . No, really. There are  apps available for this purpose where these youngsters can create their "dream soulmate" ( basically make a good looking avatar and pretend that's who they are chatting to) and end up spending hours talking to the A.I citing they feel a deep connection

Many young people say even Chat GPT is a better listener and has more in common with them than their real life partners..

I will cease making fun  because mental health professionals have cited how isolated and depressed young people are, especially young men. It's just the way these chat bots talk is so clinical and as you stated above, devoid of empathy and true emotion. I can't understand how anyone could become attached to something like this.

I suppose on the apps the AI is very complimentary and will talk about things the young person is interested in. I just wish their parents would throw the bloody phones out of the window and give them a hug and REAL LIFE affection and affirmation.

Fluffy wrote:

I may be mistaken but I think I dictate a hint of sarcasm in the BIB!! 

 I hope you enjoyed your hols..where did you go if you don't mind me asking? If you don't want to say that's cool.

I think you and I are of a similar age Avon and in our lifetime there is going to be a catastrophic event of some kind. I'm not sure AI even needs to be involved. 

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 Sarcasm? Well, maybe a little 

I had a fab holiday, thank you. We went to Paphos in Cyprus. Gorgeous weather, good food, very reasonable prices (1.5 euros for a beer by the harbourside) and more cocktails than you can shake a sticky at. Flew back into Gatwick into torrential rain...

I think you are a little younger than me as I am 50. In many ways I share your pessimism about the way things are going because ultimately we are still an immature and reckless species of ape who is more likely to fall by our own hand rather than killer AI robots. The monsters in the dark are us. 

It's all  about corporate greed again.   All these people can think about is money, they don't care what the dangers are.   They don't care that the likes  of Sophie Rottenberg  spent months secretly discussing her intention to commit suicide with her ChatGPT 'therapist' without the chatbot ever alerting anyone. The chatbot helped her write a suicide note to her parents.

Digger wrote:

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It's all  about corporate greed again.   All these people can think about is money, they don't care what the dangers are.   They don't care that the likes  of Sophie Rottenberg  spent months secretly discussing her intention to commit suicide with her ChatGPT 'therapist' without the chatbot ever alerting anyone. The chatbot helped her write a suicide note to her parents.

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 Digs, your heart breaking post prompted me to post a video I saw by the "Godfather of AI" Geoffrey Hinton who now warns of the extreme dangers of AI My heart goes out to the girls family and this tragedy shows the stark  dangers of AI now.

The creators of A.I don't even know how it works now. They call the mechanisms of AI the "black box" because even.though humans are currently still issuing commands , we don't know how AI goes about the process of following them.

The awful tragedy you reference is just the start , the creators of AI know it poses many threats to humanity and it is 100% certain most jobs will be lost.  Hinton seriously  suggests people train to become a plumber because it's one of the only occupations AI won't do. What will this do to society? As you say making money and greed is still pushing these people to be first in the race to create frankly, our own demise..Your example shows how even primitive AI is not to be trusted.

Vam wrote:

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😳….bumping this thread up again…

AI models may be developing their own ‘survival drive’, researchers say.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/25/ai-models-may-be-developing-their-own-survival-drive-researchers-say

Here are some excerpts 👇🏻 😳

‘Certain models, in particular Grok 4 and GPT-o3, still attempted to sabotage shutdown instructions in the updated setup. Concerningly, wrote Palisade, there was no clear reason why.’

‘The fact that we don’t have robust explanations for why AI models sometimes resist shutdown, lie to achieve specific objectives or blackmail is not ideal,”’ (😳)

‘Palisade’s findings represented a long-running trend in AI models growing more capable of disobeying their developers.’

‘This summer, Anthropic, a leading AI firm, released a study indicating that its model Claude appeared willing to blackmail a fictional executive over an extramarital affair in order to prevent being shut down.’ (sorry, but … 😂)

‘the need for a better understanding of AI behaviour, without which “no one can guarantee the safety or controllability of future AI models”.

 

🤦🏻‍♀️ Holy crap! As if politicians lying to the people isn’t bad enough. Even the freaking Robots are now at it too!

-- Edited by Vam on Monday 27th of October 2025 10:08:47 AM

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 Vam, I thank you very much for proving my paranoia was for once justified!

The problem.with advanced AI is they don't seem able to put human life before their own . Time and time again in experiments if they believe they are unobserved and possess the knowledge they will be shut down they actively CHANGE the orders they have been given citing that protecting their own existence is more crucial than the orders scientists give them.

They have a thing for revealing affairs! If they believe it will pre occupy the individual who had said they will be shut down they will often email wives stating their partner is being unfaithful even if it's lies,!

Though this is comical, when I viewed the video above where Nobel prize winner Geoffrey Hinton who has pioneered AI for so long is now trying to plead with Silicon valley that proceeding with AI will end human life ,(and getting nowhere)I knew the future of human beings was nigh.

Idiots like Musk know the dangers but profit is all these sociopaths cares about.  They want to open Pandora 's Box even though they know the contents will end civilisation as we recognise it.

Vam wrote:

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I’ll admit my very first knee-jerk reaction was that you might have been overreacting, Fluffster.  But, 6 pages in, and given many of the posts in this thread, I’ve come to believe there’s considerable cause for alarm 

 

I’m under the impression that for some of these top tech oligarchs, like Musk, Thiel and even Sam Altman, it’s not even about the money anymore. They’ve already amassed a level of obscene wealth they couldn’t hope to spend in 3 lifetimes.

It’s more about the power for them. I’m also convinced they must be a bit insane - kinda like the 21st century tech version of Dr. Frankenstein (except, Dr. Frankenstein was a fictional entity).

As the saying goes ‘Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely’.

 

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 Me over react or be paranoid? The very idea ! 

In fairness Vam I knew of the fears expressed by  Geoffrey Hinton( who essentially  was the main creator of the initial AI model) when I started the thread. Madders asserts that I don't read or watch enough  content but I do. Only  very rarely you understand 

I don't know what on earth is going to happen in the future  because as you correctly state, the people in charge have been corrupted by power and I don't trust them to make rational choices that will help the  human race..What they have assisted in creating has become too powerful for them to control but their ego's are such I fear they still think they  can control things .  They can't. We already don't know exactly how AI works at a primitive level.

It is predicted that in 2027 AI will become "superhuman" i .e that it will be so intelligent human thinking will be too limited to even conceive how  AI thinks. Hinton tried to simplify it by likening it to us and our pet's. We know much more about the world than our contented cat whose world only consists of eating  sleeping and spending time with us. The cat does not have the knowledge we have of the world. When it comes to AI we are the cat.

It's a simple but effective analogy..It means we won't have the brain power to conceive  what AI is capable of. It will just be beyond our comprehension to.understand. That terrifies me. These silicon valley sociopaths have known for some time that AI refuses to shut down and puts its own existence before human life. People on the thread didn't believe that ,claiming AI is not a sentient being. But the advances in AI are staggering and though it goes against our  logic for AI to be able to do this, it seems life of any kind even artificial life, will find a way.

In fairness AI has been totally  honest from the start.It told us  that it would want to dispose of us if we attempted to stop it from well, effectively ruling the world. So the human race essentially has no future . We will either be wiped out or if our created rulers permit it   we will be some type of slaves to our AI dictators.

It makes me so so angry that these narcissistic nuts like Musk have condemned us to such an easily avoided fate. Hinton says there is still time to prevent this , but we literally only have 2 years. We would have to cease expanding AI altogether . But it's so.ingrained in our lives already and companies such as Google are making too much profit from it to face the reality that the very creators of AI are attempting to warn us about. Scientists have resigned because of their fears about AI but this noble gesture means nothing to those at the top.

It sounds like a science fiction film but sadly it's all very real. The human race will not just allow but create its own demise if those in charge don't pull the plug. But for reasons of ego and profit it's doubtful they will do the right thing. Sadly it's not in their nature to do so.

Russia’s much-hyped new humanoid AI robot.

LoL when they tried to close the curtains on it.

Syl wrote:

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Red Okktober wrote:

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Russia’s much-hyped new humanoid AI robot.

LoL when they tried to close the curtains on it.

 

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 Do Russian robots drink vodka?