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RE: Bonnie Blue

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Fluffy wrote:

What societal issues cause Incels?

To me this is the really the same question is why do some young men end up strapping a suicide vest on and exploding themselves in a busy shopping centre for their ideology - how does a young man get radicalised?

Well, there could be an underlying mental health condition or feelings of immense loneliness and despair which makes them open to exploitation from a movement which offers them hope and purpose, or an explanation for their suffering. They may be socially isolated so they do not have moderating influences in their real life to talk to and bring them balance. This may lead them to finding their community online which accepts them in a way the real world doesn't and provides a form of distorted therapy. They may feel that the world has passed them by and doesn't care about their suffering whereas when it comes to girls / women there are multitudes of programmes specifically aimed towards helping them. They want to be a provider and a protector but see no realistic prospect of that happening as owning a home or affording to raise a family seems completely out of reach now. They may feel it is impossible to know how to behave around women due to changing gender dynamics or get a girlfriend because women now will only consider a tall, successful, good looking man and not given them a chance.

Who wouldn't opt out in those conditions or if not feel resentful and lash out?

Video games and going to the gym to get very well built is a symptom of the problem - it replaces the promise that work used to fulfill - that is you get your head down, work hard and follow the rules you will succeed in achieving something of value to you. The rules of the game or the rules of training will get you results if you follow them, even though it may be very difficult. Work doesn't do that anymore, and like modern dating, seems very much like the winner takes it all.

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Fluffy wrote:

Clearly she is not your normal woman. But Bonnie Blue is not to blame for male rapists abusing women.

No, but she may be responsible for young women having very uncomfortable sexual encounters which although consensual may leave them feeling degraded and skirt the line of sexual assault.

Some things portrayed in porn while they might look good on camera are just the opposite when you experience them in real life, particularly extreme content. For example gagging and choking might be common in porn and therefore falsely believed by young men to what they need to do to satisfy their sexual partners. In reality they can be highly dangerous and not particularly nice for a young woman who is not experienced to have in a sexual encounter.

Vam · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
She has put herself in the spotlight by her extreme stunts and her interviews. Her goal is money, but the price she is paying is her spirit. That girl looks and sounds emotionless and cold, yet she claims she loves what she does.
I think she is fooling herself, what sane woman wants to be used as a free fuck machine to every man who fancies a quickie? Old, young, fat, thin, dirty, clean, she is being abused, and deep down she knows it.
☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 - every word
Avon’s right - she seems dead-eyed and totally tuned-out. And is it any wonder?

-- Edited by Vam on Friday 8th of August 2025 01:38:55 PM
In the clips her face hardly moves. She botoxed to the tits.

Oh geez, yes - that too, of course!

But among all the face fillers, I sense a totally checked-out vibe. Imo, there’s no way her lifestyle choices haven’t psychologically affected her - even if it’s on a subconscious level.

Digger · Admin

Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Clearly she is not your normal woman. But Bonnie Blue is not to blame for male rapists abusing women.
No, but she may be responsible for young women having very uncomfortable sexual encounters which although consensual may leave them feeling degraded and skirt the line of sexual assault.
Some things portrayed in porn while they might look good on camera are just the opposite when you experience them in real life, particularly extreme content. For example gagging and choking might be common in porn and therefore falsely believed by young men to what they need to do to satisfy their sexual partners. In reality they can be highly dangerous and not particularly nice for a young woman who is not experienced to have in a sexual encounter.

Young people go through a rebellious phase, and often the damage is done during this phase. Enabled by social media, the impact from socially belligerent public figures is now reaching older men often resulting in, or fuelling, hostility toward females.

Traditional healthy male role models who exercise masculinity in noble ways are often looked down on, and most disturbingly by women who consider themselves the same as men or that males are redundant to their needs. We're not the same as men. We're very different. We both have different strengths and weaknesses. it's what enabled us as a species to thrive. But the man who exhibits gentlemanly or protective behaviour is often the subject of scorn. The art of being a gentleman seems to be dying, perhaps because there are fewer and fewer women around who see this for what it is.

Which brings me to this....the behaviour of many young women has gone into decline. You've only got to watch the many YouTube videos filmed on a Saturday night around our cities to see it. Drunken, drugged up, wearing next to nothing, swearing, leering, shouting, vomiting in the street, pissing in doorways.... it's all there. Not all women are like this but many are. It's just horrible to see. I'll never ever forget that documentary about Ibiza, where a young British woman stood on the main thoroughfare and invited all passing men to finger her vagina. It was all caught on camera. She worked as a manager for Sainsburys. She got the sack.

So, do men now look upon and treat women differently because they behave like this? Like ladettes, viragos and slatterns? Or, if you behave with decorum and like a lady, is a man or boy more likely to respond to that and treat you in kind?

This question is not about rapists....they are going to do that no matter what.

Digger · Admin

and this is exactly how I'd expect our men to act in a situation like this.

https://x.com/PeterBleksley/status/1953773467762860190

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Clearly she is not your normal woman. But Bonnie Blue is not to blame for male rapists abusing women.
No, but she may be responsible for young women having very uncomfortable sexual encounters which although consensual may leave them feeling degraded and skirt the line of sexual assault.
Some things portrayed in porn while they might look good on camera are just the opposite when you experience them in real life, particularly extreme content. For example gagging and choking might be common in porn and therefore falsely believed by young men to what they need to do to satisfy their sexual partners. In reality they can be highly dangerous and not particularly nice for a young woman who is not experienced to have in a sexual encounter.

Young people go through a rebellious phase, and often the damage is done during this phase. Enabled by social media, the impact from socially belligerent public figures is now reaching older men often resulting in, or fuelling, hostility toward females.
Traditional healthy male role models who exercise masculinity in noble ways are often looked down on, and most disturbingly by women who consider themselves the same as men or that males are redundant to their needs. We're not the same as men. We're very different. We both have different strengths and weaknesses. it's what enabled us as a species to thrive. But the man who exhibits gentlemanly or protective behaviour is often the subject of scorn. The art of being a gentleman seems to be dying, perhaps because there are fewer and fewer women around who see this for what it is.
Which brings me to this....the behaviour of many young women has gone into decline. You've only got to watch the many YouTube videos filmed on a Saturday night around our cities to see it. Drunken, drugged up, wearing next to nothing, swearing, leering, shouting, vomiting in the street, pissing in doorways.... it's all there. Not all women are like this but many are. It's just horrible to see. I'll never ever forget that documentary about Ibiza, where a young British woman stood on the main thoroughfare and invited all passing men to finger her vagina. It was all caught on camera. She worked as a manager for Sainsburys. She got the sack.
So, do men now look upon and treat women differently because they behave like this? Like ladettes, viragos and slatterns? Or, if you behave with decorum and like a lady, is a man or boy more likely to respond to that and treat you in kind?
This question is not about rapists....they are going to do that no matter what.

It is a bit confusing for young men. I'm old and don't give two fucks about the crap shoot that involves ladies.

On one hand you have women that seem empowered by embracing and encouraging toxic masculinity, then you have the other end who thinks a man being masculine or simply polite is a toxic male.

Look at the Sidney Sweeney thing that is still going on here. Young males are watching women fight over this and getting more confused. I on the other hand admire her and simply say "God Bless America"..😉

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
and this is exactly how I'd expect our men to act in a situation like this.

https://x.com/PeterBleksley/status/1953773467762860190

Beat his ass..

The end.

Date: Aug 8 4:18 PM, 2025

Digger wrote:
and this is exactly how I'd expect our men to act in a situation like this.

https://x.com/PeterBleksley/status/1953773467762860190

So polite carrying him off like that, personally I would have like to give seen a foot or two booting his raw backside out of those doors.

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Digger wrote:

So, do men now look upon and treat women differently because they behave like this?

I think, in general terms, the answer to that question is yes unless you consciously resist the unconscious social conditioning that comes from repeated exposure to images of women acting like that. It can change your perception of what a woman is inherently worth from being a human being with human dignity to being an object to be used.

Extremes of behaviour get noticed and reinforced because they are novel an create a stronger surge of dopamine than gentler or traditionally polite behaviour. Social media has made many people dopamine addicts which has skewed but people see and what they respond to unconsciously which in turns drives changes in behaviour across society in general.

Personally, I think most young men or young women if they understood themselves a bit better would prefer a more "traditional" relationship based around love, emotional connection and intimacy and actually crave that experience. However, because social media has elevated extremes of behaviour they find it much harder to achieve that if they spend most of their time online.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
and this is exactly how I'd expect our men to act in a situation like this.

https://x.com/PeterBleksley/status/1953773467762860190
So polite carrying him off like that, personally I would have like to give seen a foot or two booting his raw backside out of those doors.

I think he got a kick to the yarbles

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Clearly she is not your normal woman. But Bonnie Blue is not to blame for male rapists abusing women.
No, but she may be responsible for young women having very uncomfortable sexual encounters which although consensual may leave them feeling degraded and skirt the line of sexual assault.
Some things portrayed in porn while they might look good on camera are just the opposite when you experience them in real life, particularly extreme content. For example gagging and choking might be common in porn and therefore falsely believed by young men to what they need to do to satisfy their sexual partners. In reality they can be highly dangerous and not particularly nice for a young woman who is not experienced to have in a sexual encounter.

I disagree, there are sex scenes in films (Fifty shades of Grey for example ) which are more likely to influence young women in new things to try sexually as that was a novel and film aimed at women. If Channel 4 hadn't put the spotlight firmly on her to try and get views girls wouldn't even know about her except other female content creators on OnlyFans. Her audience is 100% male.

Bonnie Blue is not responsible for anyone's choices, except her own. I don't like the woman, she is not very empathetic to say the least. But women are gagged tied up and far worse in porn, she is but one If a female viewer of porn saw something different in porn and decided to try it with her steady partner she may enjoy it or if not, they would stop. But ultimately again it would be her choice, not Bonnie Blue's.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Barksdale wrote:
Digger wrote:
So, do men now look upon and treat women differently because they behave like this?
I think, in general terms, the answer to that question is yes unless you consciously resist the unconscious social conditioning that comes from repeated exposure to images of women acting like that. It can change your perception of what a woman is inherently worth from being a human being with human dignity to being an object to be used.
Extremes of behaviour get noticed and reinforced because they are novel an create a stronger surge of dopamine than gentler or traditionally polite behaviour. Social media has made many people dopamine addicts which has skewed but people see and what they respond to unconsciously which in turns drives changes in behaviour across society in general.
Personally, I think most young men or young women if they understood themselves a bit better would prefer a more "traditional" relationship based around love, emotional connection and intimacy and actually crave that experience. However, because social media has elevated extremes of behaviour they find it much harder to achieve that if they spend most of their time online.

But Avon it's men who create and watch porn, there is a plethora of violent porn on the internet far worse than Bonnie Blue ffs.

So men want to.watch violent porn so men make and distribute violent porn to satisfy demand and now those same men think less of the women being gagged in the porn they want and chose to see.?

I am not getting this at all. Men can separate real women from what porn stars do and If they don't want to view women in that way they shouldn't deliberately choose to watch porn that depicts women that way..!

I'm bowing out from this because I cannot understand why it's considered ok for men with an I.Q above a carrot to judge apparently ALL women by what women do in the type of porn they choose watch..! If I watched (for example) a man being violent in a porn film I wouldn't decide all men were violent based on the actions of one man in an adult video. Nor would I have done so at 18.

People are responsible for their own actions.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Clearly she is not your normal woman. But Bonnie Blue is not to blame for male rapists abusing women.
No, but she may be responsible for young women having very uncomfortable sexual encounters which although consensual may leave them feeling degraded and skirt the line of sexual assault.
Some things portrayed in porn while they might look good on camera are just the opposite when you experience them in real life, particularly extreme content. For example gagging and choking might be common in porn and therefore falsely believed by young men to what they need to do to satisfy their sexual partners. In reality they can be highly dangerous and not particularly nice for a young woman who is not experienced to have in a sexual encounter.

Young people go through a rebellious phase, and often the damage is done during this phase. Enabled by social media, the impact from socially belligerent public figures is now reaching older men often resulting in, or fuelling, hostility toward females.
Traditional healthy male role models who exercise masculinity in noble ways are often looked down on, and most disturbingly by women who consider themselves the same as men or that males are redundant to their needs. We're not the same as men. We're very different. We both have different strengths and weaknesses. it's what enabled us as a species to thrive. But the man who exhibits gentlemanly or protective behaviour is often the subject of scorn. The art of being a gentleman seems to be dying, perhaps because there are fewer and fewer women around who see this for what it is.
Which brings me to this....the behaviour of many young women has gone into decline. You've only got to watch the many YouTube videos filmed on a Saturday night around our cities to see it. Drunken, drugged up, wearing next to nothing, swearing, leering, shouting, vomiting in the street, pissing in doorways.... it's all there. Not all women are like this but many are. It's just horrible to see. I'll never ever forget that documentary about Ibiza, where a young British woman stood on the main thoroughfare and invited all passing men to finger her vagina. It was all caught on camera. She worked as a manager for Sainsburys. She got the sack.
So, do men now look upon and treat women differently because they behave like this? Like ladettes, viragos and slatterns? Or, if you behave with decorum and like a lady, is a man or boy more likely to respond to that and treat you in kind?
This question is not about rapists....they are going to do that no matter what.

It is a bit confusing for young men. I'm old and don't give two fucks about the crap shoot that involves ladies.

On one hand you have women that seem empowered by embracing and encouraging toxic masculinity, then you have the other end who thinks a man being masculine or simply polite is a toxic male.

Look at the Sidney Sweeney thing that is still going on here. Young males are watching women fight over this and getting more confused. I on the other hand admire her and simply say "God Bless America"..😉

She is certainly very pretty, although I'm not familiar with her acting.

I don't believe that advert is about white supremacy either. I can imagine some black ladies who are eternally woke may think that but .. it's a stretch even so..

The women just have a problem with Miss Sweeney saying she's good looking instead of being humble. I really do believe that. They may not consciously know that but that's what irks them.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Fluffy wrote:
Even so, if violent pornography does contribute to men to be sexually aggressive (which I personally believe it possibly does)I don't understand the blaming of women in porn for men's sexually violent behaviour. That sounds like victim blaming. I'm genuinely confused.
Syl, are you saying that the men who rape women or attack them in some way are victims of the violent porn they choose to watch which is made and distributed by men? They choose to watch violent porn and that type of porn is made because there is a marked demand from men for more porn showing violence towards women. But you claim the porn actresses are at fault for violence against women for being there??

Is calling out the stunts Bonnie Blue gets up to victim blaming?? I don't think so, I think she is doing a lot more harm than the good she seems to think she is doing.

And no, I don't believe men are the victims here, their female partners may be, or the women they disrespect because they have watched enough porn to be totally unaware or uncaring of what real women want or need.

I think a minority of men are very confused, and angry, and bitter, and I do believe society has to take some responsibility.

I also believe that the breakdown in family, where often there is no permanent father figure has something to do with male dislike, distrust and disrespect of women today.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Even so, if violent pornography does contribute to men to be sexually aggressive (which I personally believe it possibly does)I don't understand the blaming of women in porn for men's sexually violent behaviour. That sounds like victim blaming. I'm genuinely confused.
Syl, are you saying that the men who rape women or attack them in some way are victims of the violent porn they choose to watch which is made and distributed by men? They choose to watch violent porn and that type of porn is made because there is a marked demand from men for more porn showing violence towards women. But you claim the porn actresses are at fault for violence against women for being there??

Yes and no. While I believe a woman should be able to walk down the street at midnight stark naked without the risk of attack, that's not reality.

The reality is many men hold beliefs that normalize or excuse their behaviour because they believe that women want to be raped or that it's a normal part of sexual encounters. So, you have to ask yourself where this comes from because it sure doesn't occur naturally and without external input.

A women being paid by men and overwhelming views by only men to be in hard core porn is not really similar to the parallel you mentioned. That aside she would catch a cold!

Men are the main viewers of porn. Most rely on it, a unfortunate minority are addicted to it and the majority of the male audience for porn watching every day.They also choose what type of porn they want to watch.

Obviously heterosexual men will want to watch women. To blame women actresses for the way men WANT to see them perceived in porn is victim blaming. Men who don't want to see Bonnie Blue slapped and treated roughly when that's what occurs in her video's (I assume) won't watch her content because they don't get turned on by violence towards women.

To claim that because women have to be present to make heterosexual porn pleasurable for men ,it's the fault of those same women that some disturbed men see all women as products to be used is illogical to me. Most men thankfully don't think this way. Also as the study I eluded to earlier showed in countries where more porn is consumed and attitudes towards women are less prudish, women are safer and men are more likely to support women's rights. More importantly porn use keeps crime levels down.

The Manosphere has caused the new loathing for women. Well not caused it, but men have openly admitted it. Some men have always hated women but it was never the done thing to say so. Apparently now any hate speech towards women is just dandy although I do think violent porn contributes to sexual.assaults despite the findings of the study. They were probably not watching violent porn.

But it's men that enjoy watching sexual violence towards women and men who create it. Ergo it's men's fault if they abuse a woman, not the faulting ANY woman in porn.

I take the point that Bonnie Blue is creating this content herself not men. But again, she is one of many. Women are all over Instagram touting their wares and saying they will be having multiple sex partners in their new video and try to break records. Another more natural looking girl wanted to achieve Blue's dubious 1000 men accolade but Blue best her to it. If she hadn't the other girl would be in the Channel 4 documentary.

After all that bobbins I agree that modern living has brought a degeneracy of character in both genders. But never will any woman in porn be to blame for a man hurting another woman or for some bizarre reason believing a nurse or charity worker is as up for it as Bonnie Blue. Men are accountable for their own illogical misogyny . Just imo.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Anonymous wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Tomorrow at 10am Julia Hartley Brewer on Talk TV is interviewing Bonnie Blue. That should be interesting as Hartley Brewer takes no prisoners
For anyone interested...

“The sex I’m having is very…pleshooriboll”
Nope. Had to tune out after just a couple of minutes.
Yep, me too.
”Mummy, how did you get to be rich and why are my friends telling me to look online?…”

She doesn't have children.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
She has put herself in the spotlight by her extreme stunts and her interviews. Her goal is money, but the price she is paying is her spirit. That girl looks and sounds emotionless and cold, yet she claims she loves what she does.
I think she is fooling herself, what sane woman wants to be used as a free fuck machine to every man who fancies a quickie? Old, young, fat, thin, dirty, clean, she is being abused, and deep down she knows it.
☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 - every word
Avon’s right - she seems dead-eyed and totally tuned-out. And is it any wonder?

-- Edited by Vam on Friday 8th of August 2025 01:38:55 PM
In the clips her face hardly moves. She botoxed to the tits.

This I do agree with. I thought she was in her mid thirties, when I learned she was 26 I was shocked 😲

Botox is not for young women, although I think.she had had other non cosmetic procedures that have created that unnatural Mrs Robinson look.

Her self promotion on Instagram is nothing new as other women on.Only Fans link to social media platforms. I predict in time Instagram will become a soft core porn site as so much of the content leans that way and there are so many lingerie companies sponsoring the women etc. That's not really social media is it.

I think she is on some sort of calming medication that give her the spaced out look, possibly a benzodiazepine. Or maybe something recreational. I do think she is hurting herself with this behaviour that has rewarded her with millions of pound's but she won't realise it until later.

. How can we blame today's youth for being more base and less ethical when they are rewarded with huge amounts of money for it? Modern living is morally bankrupt and that generation have to adapt and live in it.

Also a young man (who looks even younger) has also made a million in Only Fans where older gay men are obviously his audience. I haven't seen him critiqued once on television yet his female equivalent is metaphorically lynched. At least we can rely on double standards to be consistent.

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
She has put herself in the spotlight by her extreme stunts and her interviews. Her goal is money, but the price she is paying is her spirit. That girl looks and sounds emotionless and cold, yet she claims she loves what she does.
I think she is fooling herself, what sane woman wants to be used as a free fuck machine to every man who fancies a quickie? Old, young, fat, thin, dirty, clean, she is being abused, and deep down she knows it.
☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻 - every word
Avon’s right - she seems dead-eyed and totally tuned-out. And is it any wonder?

-- Edited by Vam on Friday 8th of August 2025 01:38:55 PM
In the clips her face hardly moves. She botoxed to the tits.
This I do agree with. I thought she was in her mid thirties, when I learned she was 26 I was shocked 😲
Botox is not for young women, although I think.she had had other non cosmetic procedures that have created that unnatural Mrs Robinson look.
Her self promotion on Instagram is nothing new as other women on.Only Fans link to social media platforms. I predict in time Instagram will become a soft core porn site as so much of the content leans that way and there are so many lingerie companies sponsoring the women etc. That's not really social media is it.
I think she is on some sort of calming medication that give her the spaced out look, possibly a benzodiazepine. Or maybe something recreational. I do think she is hurting herself with this behaviour that has rewarded her with millions of pound's but she won't realise it until later.
. How can we blame today's youth for being more base and less ethical when they are rewarded with huge amounts of money for it? Modern living is morally bankrupt and that generation have to adapt and live in it.
Also a young man (who looks even younger) has also made a million in Only Fans where older gay men are obviously his audience. I haven't seen him critiqued once on television yet his female equivalent is metaphorically lynched. At least we can rely on double standards to be consistent.

isn't Only Fans accessible only via payment and therefore private?

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Clearly she is not your normal woman. But Bonnie Blue is not to blame for male rapists abusing women.
No, but she may be responsible for young women having very uncomfortable sexual encounters which although consensual may leave them feeling degraded and skirt the line of sexual assault.
I disagree, there are sex scenes in films (Fifty shades of Grey for example ) which are more likely to influence young women in new things to try sexually as that was a novel and film aimed at women. If Channel 4 hadn't put the spotlight firmly on her to try and get views girls wouldn't even know about her except other female content creators on OnlyFans. Her audience is 100% male.
Bonnie Blue is not responsible for anyone's choices, except her own. I don't like the woman, she is not very empathetic to say the least. But women are gagged tied up and far worse in porn, she is but one If a female viewer of porn saw something different in porn and decided to try it with her steady partner she may enjoy it or if not, they would stop. But ultimately again it would be her choice, not Bonnie Blue's.

What I meant there was that young men who watch porn more than young women may perceive that extreme sexual practices are more common then they are in reality. In addition, they may become conditioned over time to require more extreme acts to become aroused through excessive watching of porn than they would have if they had entered into a sexual relationship with a woman before being exposed to porn.

Then, when they do eventually get initimate with a girl they might expect or pressurise a girl to mimic what he has seen because he cannot be aroused without those acts. The girl may agree because she loves her boyfriend and wants to please him so the acts are consensual. However, she may not enjoy the experience at all.

Of course we are ultimately responsible for our own choices. However, the porn industry and that includes female performers like Bonnie Blue (unless they have been trafficked) who make a profit from it does share some responsibility for the harmful consequences that follow in society. To say otherwise is like a cigarette manufacturer maintaining that it's nothing to do with them if rates of cancer increases because they can't help it if people choose to consume their products.