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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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So.....

He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.

He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.

And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.

What's next?

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 Yes he did. He said that black women were  lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".That is bigoted rhetoric and No body will change my mind on that.

He said he was worried when he saw ANY black pilot based on the actions of one black pilot. That's the essence of stereotyping , putting people with shared characteristics together ,in this case ethnicity  and saying they are all the same..

He didn't mention whether or not pilots should be promoted based on their race so I don't know where you got that from. Doubting somebody's capabilities on their skin colour is madness..and actually saying it out loud. Good gracious.

Surely his rhetoric was promoting division and stirring up trouble? He was trying to make a name for himself using outdated prejudices, nothing new there, but this chap didn't know where to draw the line.

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 And he said that people who believe in affirmative action believe that black women were  lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".

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 No he didn't. The BIB is the quote in full. He didn't say that people who believe in affirmative action believe anything..! If so, YOU can find that for  once.

He also has a go at the 1964 Civil rights act which was supposed to stop prejudice against people of other ethnicities..has Trump pulled it? It probably no longer exists.

We found that the quote about the passage of the Civil Rights Act being a "huge mistake" was correctly attributed to Kirk.

Journalist William Turton first reported on Kirk's comments in a January 2024 article for Wired (archived). According to Turton's report, Kirk made the statement while speaking at America Fest, a political convention organized by Turning Point USA, in December 2023.

Turton attended the event in person while working as a reporter for Wired. He provided an audio recording to Snopes, which verified that Kirk said:

I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it. We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.

Kirk made the comment while responding to a question from a student who said he was the subject of a Title IX investigation at their university after posting a derogatory message about transgender people on social media.

How can equal rights for all ethnicities and no more prejudice after the disgusting practice of slavery be in any way a "bad thing"?? 

And yes..I will get the sodding source. Do you also  think the Civil Rights Act being passed was a bad thing?/

The Civil Rights act is problematic for some people because it puts us in certain protected groups and forces us to serve certain groups.

You can litterly not serve a fat person for being fat as size isn't a protected class.

You can't do the same for a black person.

Many libertarians believe the market place should solve these problems..If you choose not to serve someone, people should patronize places that will.

I also understand that position is problematic for a black person in Mississippi in 1965. There may only be one hotel in town and they shouldn't have to spend a day finding a place that will accept them..

But let me add. Thinking the Civil Rights act was bad legislation doesn't make you racist.

It makes you question the effectiveness of legislation designed to solve complex social issues..

Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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So.....

He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.

He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.

And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.

What's next?

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 Yes he did. He said that black women were  lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".That is bigoted rhetoric and No body will change my mind on that.

He said he was worried when he saw ANY black pilot based on the actions of one black pilot. That's the essence of stereotyping , putting people with shared characteristics together ,in this case ethnicity  and saying they are all the same..

He didn't mention whether or not pilots should be promoted based on their race so I don't know where you got that from. Doubting somebody's capabilities on their skin colour is madness..and actually saying it out loud. Good gracious.

Surely his rhetoric was promoting division and stirring up trouble? He was trying to make a name for himself using outdated prejudices, nothing new there, but this chap didn't know where to draw the line.

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 And he said that people who believe in affirmative action believe that black women were  lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".

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 No he didn't. The BIB is the quote in full. He didn't say that people who believe in affirmative action believe anything..! If so, YOU can find that for  once.

He also has a go at the 1964 Civil rights act which was supposed to stop prejudice against people of other ethnicities..has Trump pulled it? It probably no longer exists.

We found that the quote about the passage of the Civil Rights Act being a "huge mistake" was correctly attributed to Kirk.

Journalist William Turton first reported on Kirk's comments in a January 2024 article for Wired (archived). According to Turton's report, Kirk made the statement while speaking at America Fest, a political convention organized by Turning Point USA, in December 2023.

Turton attended the event in person while working as a reporter for Wired. He provided an audio recording to Snopes, which verified that Kirk said:

I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it. We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.

Kirk made the comment while responding to a question from a student who said he was the subject of a Title IX investigation at their university after posting a derogatory message about transgender people on social media.

How can equal rights for all ethnicities and no more prejudice after the disgusting practice of slavery be in any way a "bad thing"?? 

And yes..I will get the sodding source. Do you also  think the Civil Rights Act being passed was a bad thing?/

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 Think outside the box, Fluffy.   The CRM was a failure in many ways, perhaps not so much because it was passed but because it was poorly structured against an almost impossibility to eradicate the racism in the States at that time.   Kirk argued the bill “created a beast” focused on equality of outcomes rather than equality of opportunity, and that it “led to more crime.”  

It's too complex and deep to relate on here.   Read here for more info on the fundamental failures

https://www.crmvet.org/faq/faqfail.htm#:~:text=The%20biggest%20failure%20of%20the,markets%2C%20financing%2C%20and%20capital.

 

 

"The evening before King's April 4, 1968, assassination at the Lorraine motel in Memphis, Aberthany said King had sex with two women and when a third came looking for him, 'he knocked her across the bed.'"


^And from Rev Aberthany..

Claiming MLK was not a good man isn't a crazy comment in light of what we know about him.

Digger wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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So.....

He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.

He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.

And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.

What's next?

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 Yes he did. He said that black women were  lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".That is bigoted rhetoric and No body will change my mind on that.

He said he was worried when he saw ANY black pilot based on the actions of one black pilot. That's the essence of stereotyping , putting people with shared characteristics together ,in this case ethnicity  and saying they are all the same..

He didn't mention whether or not pilots should be promoted based on their race so I don't know where you got that from. Doubting somebody's capabilities on their skin colour is madness..and actually saying it out loud. Good gracious.

Surely his rhetoric was promoting division and stirring up trouble? He was trying to make a name for himself using outdated prejudices, nothing new there, but this chap didn't know where to draw the line.

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 And he said that people who believe in affirmative action believe that black women were  lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".

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 No he didn't. The BIB is the quote in full. He didn't say that people who believe in affirmative action believe anything..! If so, YOU can find that for  once.

He also has a go at the 1964 Civil rights act which was supposed to stop prejudice against people of other ethnicities..has Trump pulled it? It probably no longer exists.

We found that the quote about the passage of the Civil Rights Act being a "huge mistake" was correctly attributed to Kirk.

Journalist William Turton first reported on Kirk's comments in a January 2024 article for Wired (archived). According to Turton's report, Kirk made the statement while speaking at America Fest, a political convention organized by Turning Point USA, in December 2023.

Turton attended the event in person while working as a reporter for Wired. He provided an audio recording to Snopes, which verified that Kirk said:

I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it. We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.

Kirk made the comment while responding to a question from a student who said he was the subject of a Title IX investigation at their university after posting a derogatory message about transgender people on social media.

How can equal rights for all ethnicities and no more prejudice after the disgusting practice of slavery be in any way a "bad thing"?? 

And yes..I will get the sodding source. Do you also  think the Civil Rights Act being passed was a bad thing?/

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 Think outside the box, Fluffy.   The CRM was a failure in many ways, perhaps not so much because it was passed but because it was poorly structured against an almost impossibility to eradicate the racism in the States at that time.   Kirk argued the bill “created a beast” focused on equality of outcomes rather than equality of opportunity, and that it “led to more crime.”  

It's too complex and deep to relate on here.   Read here for more info on the fundamental failures

https://www.crmvet.org/faq/faqfail.htm#:~:text=The%20biggest%20failure%20of%20the,markets%2C%20financing%2C%20and%20capital.

 

 

 

 

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 Thankyou for the info Digs, I will.

I accept I got it wrong about MLK and that it was in fact MLK junior..when I am in error I apologise.

Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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I think this clip may be the one Fluffy wanted to post earlier...scroll down it, there is a video

 

Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said prominent Black women didn't have 'brain processing power' to be taken seriously

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 Anyone who gets a job because of their race did so for reasons other than merit  

 

The supporters of affirmative action believe that is fine.

 

Charlie and I dont..

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 I suspect most people agree with that...he was very patronising with the way he spoke about those women though....but that's a different debate.

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 But Syl if you believe he was speaking about them.as individuals which I respect as your view, he said those four black ladies didn't have the brain processing power..how did he know that?? It's just a stupid cruel rude thing to say that people don't say this side of the pond.

The reason I believe that he is wrong morally and factually  is because he says affirmative action steals "white jobs " or "slots" but white people stole education and freedom from  black people. We robbed of them of the chance to possess academia and intellect so there were not that many people of colour in .positions of power of jobs that earned high amounts of money when the Civil rights act was passed. White people.are to blame for that.

Skin colour has no basis on intellect any more than eye colour has so as long as a black individual has the correct qualification for the job (which they are likely to in this day and age as thankfully people have been educated equally for a long time)then I don't see why he would feel the need to make such a statement.

I agree, his views on women are also highly questionable. But that seems in vogue these days with the Manosphere and Andrew Tate. He believed women over 30 were no longer attractive. What does his wife think about that tidbit one wonders. Do they all wake up on their 31st birthday looking drastically different??  Imo his views are just outdated prejudices. It's the division and hostility his rhetoric caused in society as demonstrated by the way Trump's America is now that worry me. 

 

 

 

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 Those ladies literally said they got their positions based on affirmative action.

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 Yes but he said they wouldn't have the "brain processing power to get white slots (jobs) on their own"

Can you not see why people would think this lies in race, because why else would these ladies not have the "BRAIN POWER" to get  these jobs?  They were intelligent enough to get the positions but due to being historically denied academia (and their freedom) there was a shortage of people of colour in.university, world of work.etc.

As long as those ladies had the qualifications for their university places or jobs does it matter?

Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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I think this clip may be the one Fluffy wanted to post earlier...scroll down it, there is a video

 

Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said prominent Black women didn't have 'brain processing power' to be taken seriously

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 Anyone who gets a job because of their race did so for reasons other than merit  

 

The supporters of affirmative action believe that is fine.

 

Charlie and I dont..

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 I suspect most people agree with that...he was very patronising with the way he spoke about those women though....but that's a different debate.

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 But Syl if you believe he was speaking about them.as individuals which I respect as your view, he said those four black ladies didn't have the brain processing power..how did he know that?? It's just a stupid cruel rude thing to say that people don't say this side of the pond.

The reason I believe that he is wrong morally and factually  is because he says affirmative action steals "white jobs " or "slots" but white people stole education and freedom from  black people. We robbed of them of the chance to possess academia and intellect so there were not that many people of colour in .positions of power of jobs that earned high amounts of money when the Civil rights act was passed. White people.are to blame for that.

Skin colour has no basis on intellect any more than eye colour has so as long as a black individual has the correct qualification for the job (which they are likely to in this day and age as thankfully people have been educated equally for a long time)then I don't see why he would feel the need to make such a statement.

I agree, his views on women are also highly questionable. But that seems in vogue these days with the Manosphere and Andrew Tate. He believed women over 30 were no longer attractive. What does his wife think about that tidbit one wonders. Do they all wake up on their 31st birthday looking drastically different??  Imo his views are just outdated prejudices. It's the division and hostility his rhetoric caused in society as demonstrated by the way Trump's America is now that worry me. 

 

 

 

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 Those ladies literally said they got their positions based on affirmative action.

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 Yes but he said they wouldn't have the "brain processing power to get white slots (jobs) on their own"

Can you not see why people would think this lies in race, because why else would these ladies not have the "BRAIN POWER" to get  these jobs?  They were intelligent enough to get the positions but due to being historically denied academia (and their freedom) there was a shortage of people of colour in.university, world of work.etc.

As long as those ladies had the qualifications for their university places or jobs does it matter?

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 I'm starting to question your brain processing power..

 

It's been explained to you ad infinitum. 

 

Affirmative action supercedes qualifications which makes it a terrible idea.

 

I can't explain it any better..

Maddog wrote:

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What? The civil rights leader was MLK Jr..

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He was actually born Michael King Jr.