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Vam · Go Outside.

RE: Charlie Kiirk Shot.

Barksdale · Musing at the Chaos

Vam wrote:
The kids are definitely not alright. Such a waste of potential…

And if that is the case then America has a huge problem on its hands (as will we as the UK is heavily influenced by the US.)

The second video on the tweet I posted above although more on the intellectual side was a really good explanation of the nihilsm of the black pill online community who want chaos and decline v white Christian Nationalists who want to repurpose institutions to their advantage, and succeeding with the help of Trump.

We don't really hear stories of young women shooting up schools. Now why is that?

Maddog · Go Outside

Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The question that needs to be asked, like after all these events, is what radicalized this kid who had every advantage in life, and opted to throw it all away in one horrific act..

Nihilism seems to be rampant in the youth.

There's also constant dehumanizing speech. I mean if you throw the word Nazi and Fascist around indiscriminately you shouldn't be too surprised when someone kills a "Nazi". We were brought up glorifying the men that rid the world of Nazis.
There are theories circulating that the shooter was a groyper (although this is speculation and we don't really know.) If that is the case then it makes sense why Nick Fuentes has come out tell his followers in no uncertain terms not to respond violently to the death of Charlie Kirk.
If, and this is a big if, he a groyper then it probably is a case of online radicalisation. There are many people and groups, including Fuentes and MAGA, who have profited from exploiting the grievances of disaffected young men, but now maybe unable to contain their rage and loss of hope,
I cannot help but think of that Jubilee episode with Mehdhi Hassan and 20 far right "conservatives." The kids are not alright.

-- Edited by Barksdale on Monday 15th of September 2025 10:02:31 PM

That speculation comes mostly from people trying to convince people that Charlie was shot by someone politically right of Charlie.

I'm not buying that. Not a kid with a transgender/furry boy friend..

Maddog · Go Outside

Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
The kids are definitely not alright. Such a waste of potential…
And if that is the case then America has a huge problem on its hands (as will we as the UK is heavily influenced by the US.)
The second video on the tweet I posted above although more on the intellectual side was a really good explanation of the nihilsm of the black pill online community who want chaos and decline v white Christian Nationalists who want to repurpose institutions to their advantage, and succeeding with the help of Trump.
We don't really hear stories of young women shooting up schools. Now why is that?

Women are different than men.

Ask JK Rowling..😉

Maddog · Go Outside

Maddog wrote:
"The plots and attacks categorized as terrorism this year fell across ideologies: 32 had some nexus to antisemitism; 20 targeted entities carrying out immigration enforcement; 13 targeted peaceful protests of the administration; 22 targeted the LGBTQ+ community; seven targeted Muslims; and six targeted people believed to be immigrants. Of those targeting lawmakers, 21 plots and attacks targeted Republicans, and 10 targeted Democrats."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/14/charlie-kirk-death-us-violence

Good information from The Guardian (guess a blind hog does sometimes find an acorn).

As you can see, any attempt to characterize our problem as one sided, would be wrong..

And again, based on the above targets, terrorism here in the US isn't just a right wing problem..

I can assure you hate isn't a one sided problem either..

Maddog · Go Outside

Another user, "@NajraGalvz," who had wished death to Kirk and predicted that "something big will happen" when he set foot on campus, had identified as nonbinary on X.

And in a video posted on TikTok the night before the shooting, an individual who appears to be transgender wrote that "charles james kirk…does not know what’s coming tomorrow."

https://share.google/INUf3vwGEELKwrC7Z

There seems like there was some online chatter before the shooting, on sites that are now deleted..

Maddog · Go Outside

EXCLUSIVE: FBI Investigating Social Media Accounts That Appeared To Indicate Foreknowledge of Kirk Assassination https://share.google/INUf3vwGEELKwrC7Z

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
And another thing, while I'm on my soap box,
So many nations reneged on their promises that Britain placed a naval squadron off the coasts of West Africa, looking to intercept slave ships. This patrol, sometimes just a handful of ships, sometimes as many as 20, patrolled the Atlantic from 1808 to 1870, landing their human cargo at Freetown in Sierra Leone, a colony set up for freed slaves. Over 62 years the Royal Navy captured hundreds of slave ships and freed some 160,000 captives. Several hundreds of thousands more were saved by diplomatic and naval pressure.
In Africa Britain made some 45 treaties with African rulers to stop slaving at source, however in some cases they had to be paid off.
This patrol was expensive both in money – a great deal of British tax payers money – and in life. Over 60 years or so patrolling the Atlantic, some 17,000 sailors died; some killed in action, some from the same diseases as the slaves they freed, including fever, dysentry, yellow fever and malaria. This represented one sailor’s life lost for every nine slaves freed.
So, fuck off with your bend the knee and reparations.

Digs, I respect your view that you don't feel you should kneel and certainly didn't mean to offend you. But the origins of the BLM and the whataboutery posted by an Anon are irrelevant because some people simply want to atone and just apologise for the historical brutal killings and enslavement of people of colour by their white ancestors. Obviously no amount of apologies could ever truly be enough but it's heartfelt (maybe not by the likes of Starmer and those who do it for show) but to people who truly are sorry ,taking the knee doesn't diminish those doing it in any way.

When I said people should respect taking the knee even if they disagreed with it, I should of said to respect that others have the right to do so if they wished to do it rather than to respect the movement itself.

Bigotry still exists against people of colour to this day. Young black men are stopped and searched by the police with more regularity than white men. The Manosphere really ramped it up, the late Kevin Samuels in particular said black women were less attractive than other races due to their facial structure and features and he was very influential. If that's his personal point of view fine but suddenly cruel verbal tirades were normalised against black women. MAGA says that people of minorities have to accept people's opinions and even challenged the notion of hate speech.

I feel that if the pendulum of political correctness had once swung too far and people felt unable to speak their mind lest they were labelled a racist, it's now gone too far the other way. But I apologise if anything I said offended you, it was just my point of view.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 09:48:01 AM

Vam · Go Outside.

Maddog wrote:
"The plots and attacks categorized as terrorism this year fell across ideologies: 32 had some nexus to antisemitism; 20 targeted entities carrying out immigration enforcement; 13 targeted peaceful protests of the administration; 22 targeted the LGBTQ+ community; seven targeted Muslims; and six targeted people believed to be immigrants. Of those targeting lawmakers, 21 plots and attacks targeted Republicans, and 10 targeted Democrats."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/14/charlie-kirk-death-us-violence

Good information from The Guardian (guess a blind hog does sometimes find an acorn).

As you can see, any attempt to characterize our problem as one sided, would be wrong..

Surprising.

There are always gonna be stat charts/surveys for those who seek them, especially in these polarised times.

I doubt you’ll approve of the source of this one, though 😉

https://x.com/blisterpearl/status/1967823313415340101?s=61

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
And another thing, while I'm on my soap box,
So many nations reneged on their promises that Britain placed a naval squadron off the coasts of West Africa, looking to intercept slave ships. This patrol, sometimes just a handful of ships, sometimes as many as 20, patrolled the Atlantic from 1808 to 1870, landing their human cargo at Freetown in Sierra Leone, a colony set up for freed slaves. Over 62 years the Royal Navy captured hundreds of slave ships and freed some 160,000 captives. Several hundreds of thousands more were saved by diplomatic and naval pressure.
In Africa Britain made some 45 treaties with African rulers to stop slaving at source, however in some cases they had to be paid off.
This patrol was expensive both in money – a great deal of British tax payers money – and in life. Over 60 years or so patrolling the Atlantic, some 17,000 sailors died; some killed in action, some from the same diseases as the slaves they freed, including fever, dysentry, yellow fever and malaria. This represented one sailor’s life lost for every nine slaves freed.
So, fuck off with your bend the knee and reparations.
Digs, I respect your view that you don't feel you should kneel and certainly didn't mean to offend you. But the origins of the BLM and the whataboutery posted by an Anon are irrelevant because some people simply want to atone and just apologise for the historical brutal killings and enslavement of people of colour by their white ancestors. Obviously no amount of apologies could ever truly be enough but it's heartfelt (maybe not by the likes of Starmer and those who do it for show) but to people who truly are sorry ,taking the knee doesn't diminish those doing it in any way.
When I said people should respect taking the knee even if they disagreed with it, I should of said to respect that others have the right to do so if they wished to do it rather than to respect the movement itself.
Bigotry still exists against people of colour to this day. Young black men are stopped and searched by the police with more regularity than white men. The Manosphere really ramped it up, the late Kevin Samuels in particular said black women were less attractive than other races due to their facial structure and features and he was very influential. If that's his personal point of view fine but suddenly cruel verbal tirades were normalised against black women. MAGA says that people of minorities have to accept people's opinions and even challenged the notion of hate speech.
I feel that if the pendulum of political correctness had once swung too far and people felt unable to speak their mind lest they were labelled a racist, it's now gone too far the other way. But I apologise if anything I said offended you, it was just my point of view.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 09:48:01 AM

I'm not offended at all, and my fuck off comment wasn't aimed at you personally. We're all well aware that there is still bigotry regarding many different cultures, including Jewish people. We have sexisim, racism, homophobia, etc and guess what....that's never going to change. Because there will always be people who hate or fear. It's human nature. It's tribal. It's not ever going to be any different.

But....and this is a big but....there are more good people than bad. Sadly, being good and kind and compassionate doesn't make interesting news.

That poor girl who got stabbed and bled out while everyone around her filmed it and didn't help? I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than do that. Why do people behave like that.

Some years ago, I witnessed a young man get knocked down on Deansgate, a main road right in the centre of the city in Manchester. He was standing right next to me, and stepped off the pavement and a van skipped the red light and he got dragged 50 yards under the wheels. Not one single person went to help him. I was the only one. I put my bag under his head as the road was wet and tried to soothe him. Once I'd done that, others came round and just gawped. I never found out if he lived or died.

Were all those people bad? No. They just reverted to herd behaviour. I guess because what happened was shocking, they didn't really know how to react. Or perhaps they saw me go to him and thought that was enough, why should they get involved. Bearing in mind that it was rush hour and there were hundreds of people who witnessed this.

But I digress....

My objections to empty gestures like 'taking the knee' is that they are meaningless without action. It's just yet another example of virtue signalling designed to show those doing it to appear somehow morally superior to those who won't follow the herd.

It's the same when a terrible tragedy happens like the Southport murders or some kid gets tortured and murdered and slips through the social services net...people gather to hold candle lit vigils and it's all very Kumbaya. Then nothing changes.

I have the same sentiments regarding the flag waving Pro Palestine fools who march safely on our British streets but would rather fly to the moon than volunteer to go to Gaza and actually do something positive to help, like Alan Henning did when he went to Syria. He put his body and soul where his mouth was and lost his head because of it. I personally met him and a nicer more self sacrificing man you'd never meet. He truly was a hero.

The other thing about you, Fluffy, is you either don't read everyone's posts thoroughly, or you choose to ignore the facts presented to you.

Nice avatar BTW.

Vam · Go Outside.

@ Diggs…an excellent, highly intuitive & bang-on accurate post. 👏🏻👏🏻 @ every single point you make.

” But....and this is a big but....there are more good people than bad. Sadly, being good and kind and compassionate doesn't make interesting news. ”

Especially this ^^^ , which is what I cling to in these batshit times. The ‘good’ may be boring, but they’re still there in the background - low-key, but each trying to make a difference in whatever way they can. And hope for better days springs eternal!

Digger · Admin

Vam wrote:
@ Diggs…an excellent, highly intuitive & bang-on accurate post. 👏🏻👏🏻 @ every single point you make.
” But....and this is a big but....there are more good people than bad. Sadly, being good and kind and compassionate doesn't make interesting news. ”
Especially this ^^^ , which is what I cling to in these batshit times. The ‘good’ may be boring, but they’re still there in the background - low-key, but each trying to make a difference in whatever way they can. And hope for better days springs eternal!

It's hard staying positive when so much around us is bad or downright evil.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Vam wrote:
@ Diggs…an excellent, highly intuitive & bang-on accurate post. 👏🏻👏🏻 @ every single point you make.
” But....and this is a big but....there are more good people than bad. Sadly, being good and kind and compassionate doesn't make interesting news. ”
Especially this ^^^ , which is what I cling to in these batshit times. The ‘good’ may be boring, but they’re still there in the background - low-key, but each trying to make a difference in whatever way they can. And hope for better days springs eternal!

I agree with all points, especially Diggers post, it says everything I feel.

I also remember Alan Henning, the taxi driver from Manchester. A real life, modern day hero, who acted instead of talked, and paid with his life. It's people like him that, had he been on the train when the beautiful girl was murdered by that freak, she would not have died alone, whilst people either didn't see, or simply recorded her dying, he would have tried to help, at least be with her.

There are millions of people who act with kindness, like Digger did when the man was in a serious RTA, millions of ordinary people who don't hate, who will try to help others when they can, I suspect most of us on here have or would if put in that situation.

Vam is right, the people who make the news, are the ones who are causing the problems, not the majority who would try to calm them.

Vam · Go Outside.

Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ Diggs…an excellent, highly intuitive & bang-on accurate post. 👏🏻👏🏻 @ every single point you make.
” But....and this is a big but....there are more good people than bad. Sadly, being good and kind and compassionate doesn't make interesting news. ”
Especially this ^^^ , which is what I cling to in these batshit times. The ‘good’ may be boring, but they’re still there in the background - low-key, but each trying to make a difference in whatever way they can. And hope for better days springs eternal!
I agree with all points, especially Diggers post, it says everything I feel.
I also remember Alan Henning, the taxi driver from Manchester. A real life, modern day hero, who acted instead of talked, and paid with his life. It's people like him that, had he been on the train when the beautiful girl was murdered by that freak, she would not have died alone, whilst people either didn't see, or simply recorded her dying, he would have tried to help, at least be with her.
There are millions of people who act with kindness, like Digger did when the man was in a serious RTA, millions of ordinary people who don't hate, who will try to help others when they can, I suspect most of us on here have or would if put in that situation.
Vam is right, the people who make the news, are the ones who are causing the problems, not the majority who would try to calm them.

I’ve always believed it’s the minority, within every ethnicity/religious denomination/political affiliation/sexual orientation, who always make things worse for the majority.

Btw, there is no way in this lifetime I wouldn’t have at least tried to help that young girl who lay dying on the filthy floor of a transit train. I saw a video online, in which the woman sitting to her immediate right’s very first reaction was to grab her backpack in case someone tried to steal it.

It‘s hard not to despair sometimes ….

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ Diggs…an excellent, highly intuitive & bang-on accurate post. 👏🏻👏🏻 @ every single point you make.
” But....and this is a big but....there are more good people than bad. Sadly, being good and kind and compassionate doesn't make interesting news. ”
Especially this ^^^ , which is what I cling to in these batshit times. The ‘good’ may be boring, but they’re still there in the background - low-key, but each trying to make a difference in whatever way they can. And hope for better days springs eternal!
I agree with all points, especially Diggers post, it says everything I feel.
I also remember Alan Henning, the taxi driver from Manchester. A real life, modern day hero, who acted instead of talked, and paid with his life. It's people like him that, had he been on the train when the beautiful girl was murdered by that freak, she would not have died alone, whilst people either didn't see, or simply recorded her dying, he would have tried to help, at least be with her.
There are millions of people who act with kindness, like Digger did when the man was in a serious RTA, millions of ordinary people who don't hate, who will try to help others when they can, I suspect most of us on here have or would if put in that situation.
Vam is right, the people who make the news, are the ones who are causing the problems, not the majority who would try to calm them.
I’ve always believed it’s the minority, within every ethnicity/religious denomination/political affiliation/sexual orientation, who always make things worse for the majority.
Btw, there is no way in this lifetime I wouldn’t have at least tried to help that young girl who lay dying on the filthy floor of a transit train. I saw a video online, in which the woman sitting to her immediate right’s very first reaction was to grab her backpack in case someone tried to steal it.
It‘s hard not to despair sometimes ….

Of all the horrors we see on the internet, the video of the young Ukrainian girl being stabbed, IS one that I just can't rid from my mind.

May she RIP.

Barksdale · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Some years ago, I witnessed a young man get knocked down on Deansgate, a main road right in the centre of the city in Manchester. He was standing right next to me, and stepped off the pavement and a van skipped the red light and he got dragged 50 yards under the wheels. Not one single person went to help him. I was the only one. I put my bag under his head as the road was wet and tried to soothe him. Once I'd done that, others came round and just gawped. I never found out if he lived or died.
Were all those people bad? No. They just reverted to herd behaviour. I guess because what happened was shocking, they didn't really know how to react. Or perhaps they saw me go to him and thought that was enough, why should they get involved. Bearing in mind that it was rush hour and there were hundreds of people who witnessed this.

The bystander effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

The more people there are around the less likely anyone is to help. That's because everyone assumes someone else will help. It's human nature sadly.

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
@ Diggs…an excellent, highly intuitive & bang-on accurate post. 👏🏻👏🏻 @ every single point you make.
” But....and this is a big but....there are more good people than bad. Sadly, being good and kind and compassionate doesn't make interesting news. ”
Especially this ^^^ , which is what I cling to in these batshit times. The ‘good’ may be boring, but they’re still there in the background - low-key, but each trying to make a difference in whatever way they can. And hope for better days springs eternal!
I agree with all points, especially Diggers post, it says everything I feel.
I also remember Alan Henning, the taxi driver from Manchester. A real life, modern day hero, who acted instead of talked, and paid with his life. It's people like him that, had he been on the train when the beautiful girl was murdered by that freak, she would not have died alone, whilst people either didn't see, or simply recorded her dying, he would have tried to help, at least be with her.
There are millions of people who act with kindness, like Digger did when the man was in a serious RTA, millions of ordinary people who don't hate, who will try to help others when they can, I suspect most of us on here have or would if put in that situation.
Vam is right, the people who make the news, are the ones who are causing the problems, not the majority who would try to calm them.

It's inherent in me to help people. A trait that I've paid dearly for in the past as people often see it as a weakness. I've been used and exploited by people I've tried to help. Both so called friends and partners. But...while I've learned to be more circumspect about who I help or open up to, I've also come to terms with it's just who I am and if folks think I'm a sucker that's their problem not mine.

One night I was lying in bed and I heard this awful screaming. A female. Then I heard sobbing outside in the street and footsteps running. I got up, looked out the bedroom window and there's a young girl in state of distress. So, I went downstairs and got her off the street into my house. She was covered in blood and drunk. My partner at that time told me not to get involved and leave her out on the street. This was a full grown bloke with muscles like a bodybuilder, and I was like....are you for fucking real?

I called the police and an ambulance. The girl had been beaten up and mugged by an ex boyfriend, who'd stolen her bag and phone so she couldn't ring for help or get home. She was 22 years old. She kept repeating over and over in tears..."I'm a good girl...I'm a good girl...."

I was furious with my ex. And for me, it spoke volumes about who he was and wasn't. That could have been his sister, mother, daughter, wife? How could I leave her in the street in that state?

That ex told me I was too soft. I told him it was called humanity.

Needless to say I gave him the heave ho not too long afterwards.

He was the type who'd bend the knee.

Barksdale · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:

And again, based on the above targets, terrorism here in the US isn't just a right wing problem..
I can assure you hate isn't a one sided problem either..

Correct.

Anyone who thinks it is a one sided problem is clearly an idiot *paging Donald Trump and JD Vance*

It wasn't long ago that JD Vance was comparing Trump to Hitler. It's funny what having power does to people.

Vam · Go Outside.

@ Avon…glad I caught you (& apologies for going a bit off-topic). I read an article this morning, and figured you’d be interested in it. A bit long, but impressively well-researched.

I‘ll link to it here soon.

Edit …. 👇🏻 Greg Olear nails it yet again.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/we-mustnt-compare-them-to-nazis

-- Edited by Vam on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 12:02:33 PM

Barksdale · Musing at the Chaos

Vam wrote:
@ Avon…glad I caught you (& apologies for going a bit off-topic). I read an article this morning, and figured you’d be interested in it. A bit long, but impressively well-researched.
I‘ll link to it here soon.

Cool, I look forward to reading it!