ChaoticMusings

Young men are certainly different to young women.

Recent headlines...
Yesterday a 15 year old boy has been stabbed to death by another 15 year old here in Manchester.

The biggest killer of young men in the UK (and I expect also the US) is suicide.

Fluffy wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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And another thing, while I'm on my soap box, 

So many nations reneged on their promises that Britain placed a naval squadron off the coasts of West Africa, looking to intercept slave ships.  This patrol, sometimes just a handful of ships, sometimes as many as 20, patrolled the Atlantic from 1808 to 1870, landing their human cargo at Freetown in Sierra Leone, a colony set up for freed slaves. Over 62 years the Royal Navy captured hundreds of slave ships and freed some 160,000 captives. Several hundreds of thousands more were saved by diplomatic and naval pressure.

In Africa Britain made some 45 treaties with African rulers to stop slaving at source, however in some cases they had to be paid off. 

This patrol was expensive both in money – a great deal of British tax payers money – and in life. Over 60 years or so patrolling the Atlantic, some 17,000 sailors died; some killed in action, some from the same diseases as the slaves they freed, including fever, dysentry, yellow fever and malaria. This represented one sailor’s life lost for every nine slaves freed.

So, fuck off with your bend the knee and reparations.

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 Digs, I respect your view that you don't feel you should kneel and certainly didn't mean to offend you. But the origins of the BLM and the whataboutery posted by an Anon are irrelevant because some people simply want to atone and  just apologise for the historical brutal  killings and enslavement of people of colour by their white ancestors. Obviously no amount of apologies could ever truly be enough but it's heartfelt (maybe not by the likes of Starmer and those who do it for show) but to people who truly are sorry ,taking the knee doesn't diminish those doing it in any way.

When I said people should respect taking the knee even if they disagreed with it, I should of said to respect that others have the right to do so if they wished to do it rather than to respect the movement itself.

Bigotry still exists against people of colour to this day. Young black men are stopped and searched by the police with more regularity than white men. The Manosphere really ramped it up, the late Kevin Samuels in particular said black women were less attractive than other races due to their facial structure and features and he was very influential. If that's his personal  point of view fine but suddenly cruel verbal tirades were normalised against black women. MAGA says that people of minorities have to accept people's opinions and even challenged the notion of hate speech.

I feel that if the pendulum of political correctness had once swung too far and people felt unable to speak their mind lest they were labelled a racist, it's now gone too far the other way. But I apologise if anything I said offended you, it was just my point of view.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 09:48:01 AM

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 What you don't respect are facts..

Vam wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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"The plots and attacks categorized as terrorism this year fell across ideologies: 32 had some nexus to antisemitism; 20 targeted entities carrying out immigration enforcement; 13 targeted peaceful protests of the administration; 22 targeted the LGBTQ+ community; seven targeted Muslims; and six targeted people believed to be immigrants. Of those targeting lawmakers, 21 plots and attacks targeted Republicans, and 10 targeted Democrats."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/14/charlie-kirk-death-us-violence


Good information from The Guardian (guess a blind hog does sometimes find an acorn).

As you can see, any attempt to characterize our problem as one sided, would be wrong..

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Surprising.

There are always gonna be stat charts/surveys for those who seek them, especially in these polarised times.

I doubt you’ll approve of the source of this one, though 😉

https://x.com/blisterpearl/status/1967823313415340101?s=61

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 I don't even know who the source is. And of course The Guardian is only talking about planned acts discovered this year, not decades of successful murders..

Maddog wrote:

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 We could start by not calling most masculinity "toxic". 

 

An old guy like me isn't really bothered by that label, and I have enough life experience to realize that many women still prefer men, that others would lable as toxic. Hell,  most of the women that lable men toxic don't even have one. 

 

But the young men don't have a clue because they get called misogynist if they watch Joe Rogan instead of Rachel Maddow..

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 😳  I don’t care whether you’re labelled ‘toxic’, or whether you’re a zen-meister with rainbows and moonbeams blowing out your butt.

Sometimes though, the sweeping generalisations and baseless assumptions in your posts give me an urge to waft burning sage around my iPad screen! 😂

-- Edited by Vam on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 03:58:43 PM

Vam wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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 We could start by not calling most masculinity "toxic". 

 

An old guy like me isn't really bothered by that label, and I have enough life experience to realize that many women still prefer men, that others would lable as toxic. Hell,  most of the women that lable men toxic don't even have one. 

 

But the young men don't have a clue because they get called misogynist if they watch Joe Rogan instead of Rachel Maddow..

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 😳  I don’t care whether you’re labelled ‘toxic’, or whether you’re a zen-meister with rainbows and moonbeams blowing out your butt.

Sometimes though, the sweeping generalisations and baseless assumptions in your posts give me an urge to waft burning sage around my iPad screen! 😂

-- Edited by Vam on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 03:58:43 PM

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 My experiences aren't baseless assumptions.  

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Digger wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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And another thing, while I'm on my soap box, 

So many nations reneged on their promises that Britain placed a naval squadron off the coasts of West Africa, looking to intercept slave ships.  This patrol, sometimes just a handful of ships, sometimes as many as 20, patrolled the Atlantic from 1808 to 1870, landing their human cargo at Freetown in Sierra Leone, a colony set up for freed slaves. Over 62 years the Royal Navy captured hundreds of slave ships and freed some 160,000 captives. Several hundreds of thousands more were saved by diplomatic and naval pressure.

In Africa Britain made some 45 treaties with African rulers to stop slaving at source, however in some cases they had to be paid off. 

This patrol was expensive both in money – a great deal of British tax payers money – and in life. Over 60 years or so patrolling the Atlantic, some 17,000 sailors died; some killed in action, some from the same diseases as the slaves they freed, including fever, dysentry, yellow fever and malaria. This represented one sailor’s life lost for every nine slaves freed.

So, fuck off with your bend the knee and reparations.

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 Digs, I respect your view that you don't feel you should kneel and certainly didn't mean to offend you. But the origins of the BLM and the whataboutery posted by an Anon are irrelevant because some people simply want to atone and  just apologise for the historical brutal  killings and enslavement of people of colour by their white ancestors. Obviously no amount of apologies could ever truly be enough but it's heartfelt (maybe not by the likes of Starmer and those who do it for show) but to people who truly are sorry ,taking the knee doesn't diminish those doing it in any way.

When I said people should respect taking the knee even if they disagreed with it, I should of said to respect that others have the right to do so if they wished to do it rather than to respect the movement itself.

Bigotry still exists against people of colour to this day. Young black men are stopped and searched by the police with more regularity than white men. The Manosphere really ramped it up, the late Kevin Samuels in particular said black women were less attractive than other races due to their facial structure and features and he was very influential. If that's his personal  point of view fine but suddenly cruel verbal tirades were normalised against black women. MAGA says that people of minorities have to accept people's opinions and even challenged the notion of hate speech.

I feel that if the pendulum of political correctness had once swung too far and people felt unable to speak their mind lest they were labelled a racist, it's now gone too far the other way. But I apologise if anything I said offended you, it was just my point of view.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 09:48:01 AM

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The other thing about you, Fluffy, is you either don't read everyone's posts thoroughly, or you choose to ignore the facts presented to you.

 

 

 

 

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 oh it’s not that. She just “doesnt see stuff”. 

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 Mum, you mustn't comment here! 

Digger wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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And another thing, while I'm on my soap box, 

So many nations reneged on their promises that Britain placed a naval squadron off the coasts of West Africa, looking to intercept slave ships.  This patrol, sometimes just a handful of ships, sometimes as many as 20, patrolled the Atlantic from 1808 to 1870, landing their human cargo at Freetown in Sierra Leone, a colony set up for freed slaves. Over 62 years the Royal Navy captured hundreds of slave ships and freed some 160,000 captives. Several hundreds of thousands more were saved by diplomatic and naval pressure.

In Africa Britain made some 45 treaties with African rulers to stop slaving at source, however in some cases they had to be paid off. 

This patrol was expensive both in money – a great deal of British tax payers money – and in life. Over 60 years or so patrolling the Atlantic, some 17,000 sailors died; some killed in action, some from the same diseases as the slaves they freed, including fever, dysentry, yellow fever and malaria. This represented one sailor’s life lost for every nine slaves freed.

So, fuck off with your bend the knee and reparations.

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 Digs, I respect your view that you don't feel you should kneel and certainly didn't mean to offend you. But the origins of the BLM and the whataboutery posted by an Anon are irrelevant because some people simply want to atone and  just apologise for the historical brutal  killings and enslavement of people of colour by their white ancestors. Obviously no amount of apologies could ever truly be enough but it's heartfelt (maybe not by the likes of Starmer and those who do it for show) but to people who truly are sorry ,taking the knee doesn't diminish those doing it in any way.

When I said people should respect taking the knee even if they disagreed with it, I should of said to respect that others have the right to do so if they wished to do it rather than to respect the movement itself.

Bigotry still exists against people of colour to this day. Young black men are stopped and searched by the police with more regularity than white men. The Manosphere really ramped it up, the late Kevin Samuels in particular said black women were less attractive than other races due to their facial structure and features and he was very influential. If that's his personal  point of view fine but suddenly cruel verbal tirades were normalised against black women. MAGA says that people of minorities have to accept people's opinions and even challenged the notion of hate speech.

I feel that if the pendulum of political correctness had once swung too far and people felt unable to speak their mind lest they were labelled a racist, it's now gone too far the other way. But I apologise if anything I said offended you, it was just my point of view.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 09:48:01 AM

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 I'm not offended at all, and my fuck off comment wasn't aimed at you personally.   We're all well aware that there is still bigotry regarding many different cultures, including Jewish people. We have sexisim, racism, homophobia, etc and guess what....that's never going to change.  Because there will always be people who hate or fear.  It's human nature.  It's tribal.  It's not ever going to be any different.

But....and this is a big but....there are more good people than bad.  Sadly, being good and kind and compassionate doesn't make interesting news. 

That poor girl who got stabbed and bled out while everyone around her filmed it and didn't help?   I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than do that. Why do people behave like that.

Some years ago, I witnessed a young man get knocked down on Deansgate, a main road right in the centre of the city in Manchester.   He was standing right next to me, and stepped off the pavement and a van skipped the red light and he got dragged 50 yards under the wheels.  Not one single person went to help him. I was the only one.  I put my bag under his head as the road was wet and tried to soothe him.   Once I'd done that, others came round and just gawped.  I never found out if he lived or died.

Were all those people bad?  No.  They just reverted to herd behaviour.  I guess because what happened was shocking, they didn't really know how to react.  Or perhaps they saw me go to him and thought that was enough, why should they get involved.  Bearing in mind that it was rush hour and there were hundreds of people who witnessed this.

But I digress....

My objections to empty gestures like 'taking the knee' is that they are meaningless without action.   It's just yet another example of virtue signalling designed to show those doing it to appear somehow morally superior to those who won't follow the herd.   

It's the same when a terrible tragedy happens like the Southport murders or some kid gets tortured and murdered and slips through the social services net...people gather to hold candle lit vigils and it's all very Kumbaya.  Then nothing changes.  

I have the same sentiments regarding the flag waving Pro Palestine fools who march safely on our British streets but would rather fly to the moon than volunteer to go to Gaza and actually do something positive  to help, like Alan Henning did when he went to Syria. He put his body and soul where his mouth was and lost his head because of it.  I personally met him and a nicer more self sacrificing man you'd never meet.  He truly was a hero.

The other thing about you, Fluffy, is you either don't read everyone's posts thoroughly, or you choose to ignore the facts presented to you.

Nice avatar BTW.

 

 

 

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 Same to you, that is a lovely avi. Just shame not to see your face. R.e BIB I think I am rather more closed minded than I realised and it's something I need to work on. Also I'm on meds and get tired. It's no excuse but I noticed when I read back yesterday morning I had missed words in my posts. So possibly no I am not reading longer posts in.their entirety and do not realise.

Whilst it was very courageous of you to do so alone I'm startled that you were the only individual that day to assist that man when he clearly needed help! The bystander effect does exist  but that does shock me. Clearly with you it was just a reflex, you saw he needed help and didn't think twice. I had a panic attack once when the tube stopped underground after about 15 minutes  and a lady kindly let me take her seat almost immediately. I just needed to sit down.

But unlike you, I don't think the majority of people are good.  I think they had the capacity to be but life hasn't treated them kindly. 

I also understand your frustration that symbolic gestures or vigils may seem like a decent gesture but don't actually change the reality of the situation. But sometimes in tragedies, it's all people can think to and does being comfort. One would hope Governments, the Police and mental health/social service's  working in tandem  would bring down crime levels and keep an eye on potentially dangerous individuals. But whilst capitalism reigns these vital departments are starved of funding( by successive governments), as the "proles" , everyday people, aren't considered important by the the elite and those in charge. Making money is the order of the day.

Thanks for taking the time to explain you didn't mean to direct those words at me personally, it was appreciated x

Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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And another thing, while I'm on my soap box, 

So many nations reneged on their promises that Britain placed a naval squadron off the coasts of West Africa, looking to intercept slave ships.  This patrol, sometimes just a handful of ships, sometimes as many as 20, patrolled the Atlantic from 1808 to 1870, landing their human cargo at Freetown in Sierra Leone, a colony set up for freed slaves. Over 62 years the Royal Navy captured hundreds of slave ships and freed some 160,000 captives. Several hundreds of thousands more were saved by diplomatic and naval pressure.

In Africa Britain made some 45 treaties with African rulers to stop slaving at source, however in some cases they had to be paid off. 

This patrol was expensive both in money – a great deal of British tax payers money – and in life. Over 60 years or so patrolling the Atlantic, some 17,000 sailors died; some killed in action, some from the same diseases as the slaves they freed, including fever, dysentry, yellow fever and malaria. This represented one sailor’s life lost for every nine slaves freed.

So, fuck off with your bend the knee and reparations.

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 Digs, I respect your view that you don't feel you should kneel and certainly didn't mean to offend you. But the origins of the BLM and the whataboutery posted by an Anon are irrelevant because some people simply want to atone and  just apologise for the historical brutal  killings and enslavement of people of colour by their white ancestors. Obviously no amount of apologies could ever truly be enough but it's heartfelt (maybe not by the likes of Starmer and those who do it for show) but to people who truly are sorry ,taking the knee doesn't diminish those doing it in any way.

When I said people should respect taking the knee even if they disagreed with it, I should of said to respect that others have the right to do so if they wished to do it rather than to respect the movement itself.

Bigotry still exists against people of colour to this day. Young black men are stopped and searched by the police with more regularity than white men. The Manosphere really ramped it up, the late Kevin Samuels in particular said black women were less attractive than other races due to their facial structure and features and he was very influential. If that's his personal  point of view fine but suddenly cruel verbal tirades were normalised against black women. MAGA says that people of minorities have to accept people's opinions and even challenged the notion of hate speech.

I feel that if the pendulum of political correctness had once swung too far and people felt unable to speak their mind lest they were labelled a racist, it's now gone too far the other way. But I apologise if anything I said offended you, it was just my point of view.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 09:48:01 AM

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 What you don't respect are facts..

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 It’s pointless trying to debate anything when presented facts are described as “irrelevant” and “whataboutery”… fingers in ears, la la la.

Anonymous wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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And another thing, while I'm on my soap box, 

So many nations reneged on their promises that Britain placed a naval squadron off the coasts of West Africa, looking to intercept slave ships.  This patrol, sometimes just a handful of ships, sometimes as many as 20, patrolled the Atlantic from 1808 to 1870, landing their human cargo at Freetown in Sierra Leone, a colony set up for freed slaves. Over 62 years the Royal Navy captured hundreds of slave ships and freed some 160,000 captives. Several hundreds of thousands more were saved by diplomatic and naval pressure.

In Africa Britain made some 45 treaties with African rulers to stop slaving at source, however in some cases they had to be paid off. 

This patrol was expensive both in money – a great deal of British tax payers money – and in life. Over 60 years or so patrolling the Atlantic, some 17,000 sailors died; some killed in action, some from the same diseases as the slaves they freed, including fever, dysentry, yellow fever and malaria. This represented one sailor’s life lost for every nine slaves freed.

So, fuck off with your bend the knee and reparations.

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 Digs, I respect your view that you don't feel you should kneel and certainly didn't mean to offend you. But the origins of the BLM and the whataboutery posted by an Anon are irrelevant because some people simply want to atone and  just apologise for the historical brutal  killings and enslavement of people of colour by their white ancestors. Obviously no amount of apologies could ever truly be enough but it's heartfelt (maybe not by the likes of Starmer and those who do it for show) but to people who truly are sorry ,taking the knee doesn't diminish those doing it in any way.

When I said people should respect taking the knee even if they disagreed with it, I should of said to respect that others have the right to do so if they wished to do it rather than to respect the movement itself.

Bigotry still exists against people of colour to this day. Young black men are stopped and searched by the police with more regularity than white men. The Manosphere really ramped it up, the late Kevin Samuels in particular said black women were less attractive than other races due to their facial structure and features and he was very influential. If that's his personal  point of view fine but suddenly cruel verbal tirades were normalised against black women. MAGA says that people of minorities have to accept people's opinions and even challenged the notion of hate speech.

I feel that if the pendulum of political correctness had once swung too far and people felt unable to speak their mind lest they were labelled a racist, it's now gone too far the other way. But I apologise if anything I said offended you, it was just my point of view.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 09:48:01 AM

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 What you don't respect are facts..

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 It’s pointless trying to debate anything when presented facts are described as “irrelevant” and “whataboutery”… fingers in ears, la la la.

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 I didn't mean to make your considered post feel dismissed Anon and I can dig whataboutery if it has merit..But your extensive historical knowledge didn't alter the relevance the historical facts I gave. At the end of the day many people in the West choose to support the BLM movement..you think all of them are in error . I don't.

We can both survive that I think