ChaoticMusings

Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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And another thing, while I'm on my soap box, 

So many nations reneged on their promises that Britain placed a naval squadron off the coasts of West Africa, looking to intercept slave ships.  This patrol, sometimes just a handful of ships, sometimes as many as 20, patrolled the Atlantic from 1808 to 1870, landing their human cargo at Freetown in Sierra Leone, a colony set up for freed slaves. Over 62 years the Royal Navy captured hundreds of slave ships and freed some 160,000 captives. Several hundreds of thousands more were saved by diplomatic and naval pressure.

In Africa Britain made some 45 treaties with African rulers to stop slaving at source, however in some cases they had to be paid off. 

This patrol was expensive both in money – a great deal of British tax payers money – and in life. Over 60 years or so patrolling the Atlantic, some 17,000 sailors died; some killed in action, some from the same diseases as the slaves they freed, including fever, dysentry, yellow fever and malaria. This represented one sailor’s life lost for every nine slaves freed.

So, fuck off with your bend the knee and reparations.

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 Digs, I respect your view that you don't feel you should kneel and certainly didn't mean to offend you. But the origins of the BLM and the whataboutery posted by an Anon are irrelevant because some people simply want to atone and  just apologise for the historical brutal  killings and enslavement of people of colour by their white ancestors. Obviously no amount of apologies could ever truly be enough but it's heartfelt (maybe not by the likes of Starmer and those who do it for show) but to people who truly are sorry ,taking the knee doesn't diminish those doing it in any way.

When I said people should respect taking the knee even if they disagreed with it, I should of said to respect that others have the right to do so if they wished to do it rather than to respect the movement itself.

Bigotry still exists against people of colour to this day. Young black men are stopped and searched by the police with more regularity than white men. The Manosphere really ramped it up, the late Kevin Samuels in particular said black women were less attractive than other races due to their facial structure and features and he was very influential. If that's his personal  point of view fine but suddenly cruel verbal tirades were normalised against black women. MAGA says that people of minorities have to accept people's opinions and even challenged the notion of hate speech.

I feel that if the pendulum of political correctness had once swung too far and people felt unable to speak their mind lest they were labelled a racist, it's now gone too far the other way. But I apologise if anything I said offended you, it was just my point of view.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 09:48:01 AM

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 What you don't respect are facts..

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 It’s pointless trying to debate anything when presented facts are described as “irrelevant” and “whataboutery”… fingers in ears, la la la.

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 I didn't mean to make your considered post feel dismissed Anon and I can dig whataboutery if it has merit..But your extensive historical knowledge didn't alter the relevance the historical facts I gave. At the end of the day many people in the West choose to support the BLM movement..you think all of them are in error . I don't.

We can both survive that I think 

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 Many people in the West support all sorts of nonsense  because it makes them feel good, irrespective of what the truth is.

Vam wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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 There it is, a slam dunk, all clearly laid out. 

One question, though: What 20-something kid texts like that - especially when he’s under extreme pressure? (including the use of commas)

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 09:45:08 AM

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 There are actually kids out there who are well schooled.   And that text has got mistakes in it.

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@ Diggs…fair point, and I’m sure there are.

Those texts just strike me as a little odd for a Gen Z who’s under pressure, Is all 🤷🏻‍♀️ Also, why are there no date and time stamps included?  Sorry to labour the point, but it’s not as if prosecutors have never been known to embellish or manufacture evidence before.

To be clear, I have no doubt whatsoever that he did it. And I’m really glad I was wrong in suspecting maybe some deep-state elite sniper might have done it.

I guess if those texts are in any way suss, a half decent defence lawyer will challenge them.

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 I did a search on that.

Text messages lack a visible timestamp because the app may have a feature to show one timestamp per minute or group messages sent close together, rather than one for every message. To see individual timestamps, you may need to swipe left on the message bubbles to reveal the hidden time and date, as is common on iPhones or some Android phones. 

I also just checked my own text messages and no timestamp

If those are the shooter's messages, and I have no reason to suspect they are not except for the lack of trustworthiness of the MAGA administration, then he will probably get the death penalty. It was a pre-meditated political execution.

I see two narratives forming. On one side this event will be used as evidence of far-left, trans ideological radicalisation leading to a government crackdown of free speech, free association, and left leaning organisations  being proscribed as terrorist organisations. That will lead to enormous pushback.

On the other side it will be used as example of how religious nationalism leads to a toxic culture where violence flourishes as people are marginalised. People will argue that the shooter - a wealthy, intelligent, white young male who had every opportunity before him were failed by his parents and his community as they failed to accept who he was as a person causing rage to grow in his heart, which exploded into violence as the rhetoric of right wing Conservatives like Charlie Kirk created an environment which put the person he loved, a trans woman, at danger and risk of attack. This will lead to enormous pushback as well.

You then have one of the most divisive and incompetent administrations in US history running the show and trying to manage the situation.

I doubt anyone believes America will unify. It has been split in two with little chance of reconciliation.

Barksdale wrote:

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Vam wrote:

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 @ Avon…glad I caught you (& apologies for going a bit off-topic). I read an article this morning, and figured you’d be interested in it. A bit long, but  impressively well-researched.

I‘ll link to it here soon.

Edit …. 👇🏻  Greg Olear nails it yet again.

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/we-mustnt-compare-them-to-nazis

-- Edited by Vam on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 12:02:33 PM

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 That's a great article. I really liked how the author juxtaposed Nazi rhetoric with MAGA rhetoric and allowed the reader to make up their own minds over how similar they are, without commentary.

That can be a very persuasive technique as it allows the reader to feel they have reached their own conclusions rather than being lectured, which causes people to reflexively push back. 

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 That’s what I figured you’d immediately pick up on. Very clever approach by one of my favourite columnists.

Another guy I read a lot is Tom Nichols, who writes for The Atlantic. He authored a great book back in 2017.

’The Death Of Expertise’….could there ever have been a more prescient book title, given how trump has filled his cabinet with billionaires, former Fox News anchors, and assorted other inexperienced, unqualified and pitifully incompetent clowns.

Barksdale wrote:

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If those are the shooter's messages, and I have no reason to suspect they are not except for the lack of trustworthiness of the MAGA administration, then he will probably get the death penalty. It was a pre-meditated political execution.

I see two narratives forming. On one side this event will be used as evidence of far-left, trans ideological radicalisation leading to a government crackdown of free speech, free association, and left leaning organisations  being proscribed as terrorist organisations. That will lead to enormous pushback.

On the other side it will be used as example of how religious nationalism leads to a toxic culture where violence flourishes as people are marginalised. People will argue that the shooter - a wealthy, intelligent, white young male who had every opportunity before him were failed by his parents and his community as they failed to accept who he was as a person causing rage to grow in his heart, which exploded into violence as the rhetoric of right wing Conservatives like Charlie Kirk created an environment which put the person he loved, a trans woman, at danger and risk of attack. This will lead to enormous pushback as well.

You then have one of the most divisive and incompetent administrations in US history running the show and trying to manage the situation.

I doubt anyone believes America will unify. It has been split in two with little chance of reconciliation.

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 Are you familiar with how religiously conservative Utah is? It's basically run by the Mormon Church. No doubt that causes a great deal of issues for kids who are gay, but they have been working this out for years. Many just move. 

And Charlie never said anyone should be attacked..He was very much a."love the sinner, hate the sin" kinda Christian..

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Charlie is basically the right's George Floyd.

Both men were murdered and both unleashed a firestorm of emotion..

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 It's hardly fair to compare CK with someone with such a damning criminal record as Floyd.

Spend 5 minutes watching this. Obviously Charlie comes  at these porn actress from a religious perspective, but he is kind and polite..

I still have yet to see a clip if him being offensive..