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Barksdale · Getting Gobby

RE: Charlie Kiirk Shot.

Maddog · Go Outside

Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
My girls could put 10 shots in a row, in a target the size of a grapefruit, at 100 yards with a scoped rifle..
How do you think we shoot deer at 100-200 yards..
It still might be a professional, but it could just be someone with basic skills and not a lunatic..
We are so used to seeing lunatics in mass shootings that we don't understand a non lunatic with a rifle can shoot anyone at an open air event like this. They can squeeze off one lethal round and run off. Since it was likely a bolt action round, the shell would still be in the gun..No trace left behind..
If you fire one round, it's almost impossible to determine where it came from. The buildings will create echos. It's not like people would have instantly known where the round came from..
And if the shooter used a serious round like we use for deer hunting (which I suspect), the report from the rifle would have been insanely loud, further making the scene crazy..
And while true silencers don't exist (like in the movies), suppressors do. I think a pro might have used one of those. It doesn't appear that was the case..
Thanks, that's really helpful.
I think you are probably right. I was a little taken aback when I saw the footage and it seemed suspicious how accurate the shot seemed to be and how the shooter managed to escape. However, a lone gunman does seem the more likely scenario, although ithe motivation is evidently political.

There was a parking lot behind that building.

I was just reading an FBO agents take. The shot was under 200 yards, so not difficult and he could have been in the car in 2 minutes and miles away in 5.

The only thing that makes me wonder is did he carry the rifle back to the car?

He could have put his black clothes in a backpack and look like any other student running for their life. We do have rifles that disassemble and would fit in a back pack, so I guess that's possible..

My point is, that in the West, hunting, gun ownership and gun knowledge is very common and millions of Americans could plan something out like this.

Think what Elk hunting entails. Stalking and hiding for days trying to get within 200 yards of a very elusive animal, to take one shot. People that do that are not like the lunatic mass shooters spraying a bunch of folks in a crowded area. People that do that could never get close enough to an elk to kill it..

Maddog · Go Outside

Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle that authorities believe was used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to an internal law-enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation.

The older-model .30 caliber hunting rifle was discovered in the woods near the scene of Wednesday’s shooting at Utah Valley University, wrapped in a towel with a spent cartridge still in the chamber, the sources said. There were also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording on them.

From the WSJ.

Could be he tossed the rifle off the roof.

From the pics posted it appears a young man, not completely in black (which would look weird) but in a black shirt with some sort of American flag on it.

Vam · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle that authorities believe was used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to an internal law-enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation.

The older-model .30 caliber hunting rifle was discovered in the woods near the scene of Wednesday’s shooting at Utah Valley University, wrapped in a towel with a spent cartridge still in the chamber, the sources said. There were also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording on them.

From the WSJ.

Could be he tossed the rifle off the roof.

From the pics posted it appears a young man, not completely in black (which would look weird) but in a black shirt with some sort of American flag on it.

Chuck all the rolls of tinfoil at me you want to. But I’m still gonna say: How convenient!

And if Kash Patel’s FBI is heading up the investigation….puh-leeese …..

Maddog · Go Outside

It was 30.06 round/rifle.

Probably the second most common hunting rifle in the US and the most common west of the Mississippi as its fairly flat shooting and packs a series wallup.

The 30 stands for the caliber (.30 inches in diameter) and the 06 is the year it was introduced (1906)..

It's been around for ever and there are millions in the US..

Maddog · Go Outside

For reference. The shell (casing and bullet) on the left is the .223 which is fired out of the AR. The one on the right is the 30.06.

The 30.06 has considerably more gunpowder in the casing, and it's bullet is over 3 times as heavy..

-- Edited by Maddog on Thursday 11th of September 2025 06:20:24 PM

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The Universities have been the engines for the grand alliance of Feminism - Woke Liberalism - DEI-LQGBT+ - Islamism - Open Borders - Globalism overthrowing traditional Western Societies.
Universities are hotbeds for this, because people of a certain age are easily manipulated.
Utah is a very conservative state.

While universities are hot beds for woke nonsense, I think this was someone from outside of the university.
Was he a contender for being the next President? If so, there's your answer.
He was only 31, so I doubt he would be 35 soon enough.

I've never heard Charlie ever mention political office, nor anyone mention that about him. I'll be honest, I only saw clips here and there of him because he's a bit too much of a Bible thumper for me..
Basically, he was a happily married Christian with two beautiful children that loved to debate liberals on college campuses. He was the traditional family guy that many people loathe. He made his opponents look silly at times and some people just want to silence people like him..
The tictok crowd is ecstatic over his death. There are tens or hundreds of thousands happy about this. There doesn't need to be some great conspiracy with that large of a supply of hate.

The reason some people seem happy (which is wrong. Murder can never be justified no matter how loathsome a person is) is because he was a racist who openly believed and said that black women were stupid, Martin Luther King was not a "good person" (how did he know this??) and that the Civil Rights Act that was supposed to achieve equality and inclusion for people of colour was a mistake 🤦

Obviously the 1964 Civil Rights Act failed because black people are being spoken about disgustingly at the moment in America. The radical rhetoric of the far right like the deceased made many law abiding black people scared to walk the streets at night.

He also disagreed with abortion even if a woman was r*ped, said gay people were an abomination and believed a woman as a man's intellectual inferior should "obey" and submit to her husband. In.a horrible twisted irony he believed the deaths that occurred from liberal gun laws in the States were "worth it " (his exact words)

I have raised these points to elaborate on him being simply a happily married Christian bloke. He had loathsome views that went beyond merely right wing and that explains, but does not excuse , the social media celebrating his death. That is inexcusable. His two young children have still lost their Dad and I understand the administration being angry at the reaction to Kirk's murder.

However I also understand people disliking him as he went out of his way to fan the flames between races and just didn't seem to harbour particularly fair or intelligent views.

Maddog · Go Outside

Who said black women were stupid?

I lost what your point was after that.🤷

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
trump is predictably making political haystacks out of this terrible event (wait for the spectacle of the made-for-tv funeral), and Republicans are proceeding with their maudlin near-canonisation of Charlie Kirk.
But I can’t help recalling how one of Kirk’s besties, trump’s failson, celebrated the deranged attack on Nancy Pelosi’s 80-year old husband, whose head was battered to a pulp with a hammer in the dead of night.
Then there’s a Republican US Senator, ripping the piss out of a murderous attack on a Democratic state representative in Minnesota, whose husband and dog were fatally shot too. trump didn’t even bother reaching out to Minnesota’s Governor, Tim Walz to convey condolence (“a waste of time”).

-- Edited by Vam on Thursday 11th of September 2025 05:35:01 PM
Yup, and making it a right .v. left thing is exactly the opposite of what America needs right now.
I honestly think a lot of people spend way too much time online, which warps their moral compass and impedes them from thinking clearly. As I said before the likely social issue at play here is online radicalisation which affects both the left and right. We will know more as the facts emerge but that is the most likely scenario.

QFT. The President clearly himself spends too much time online since he has already condemned the killer as a "radically left" individual when the police have no idea who committed this abhorrent act and were asking the public for assistance.

Trump has also said that it's due to the radical left discourse that political violence is on the rise. It has to be said that the right seem to be pretty outspoken and radical themselves, especially Trump's administration. Kirk 's insistence that black women don't have the "brain power" to be in good jobs (including Michelle Obama) that "should be occupied by white men" staggered me. These are direct quotes from the man himself aired on LBC and taken from his show.

I didn't know much about the deceased prior to yesterday and I do feel sorry for his family but his politics go beyond just right wing I would say. If he was prepared to say such controversial things in public forums I'm surprised he didn't have far more security.

If Trump uses his friend's death as a reason to attack his political opponents and the public who vote democrat then I fear for the trajectory that will likely soon occur not just in the States but the knock on effect it may have here too. The man is an agent of chaos and division.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
trump is predictably making political haystacks out of this terrible event (wait for the spectacle of the made-for-tv funeral), and Republicans are proceeding with their maudlin near-canonisation of Charlie Kirk.
But I can’t help recalling how one of Kirk’s besties, trump’s failson, celebrated the deranged attack on Nancy Pelosi’s 80-year old husband, whose head was battered to a pulp with a hammer in the dead of night.
Then there’s a Republican US Senator, ripping the piss out of a murderous attack on a Democratic state representative in Minnesota, whose husband and dog were fatally shot too. trump didn’t even bother reaching out to Minnesota’s Governor, Tim Walz to convey condolence (“a waste of time”).

-- Edited by Vam on Thursday 11th of September 2025 05:35:01 PM
Yup, and making it a right .v. left thing is exactly the opposite of what America needs right now.
I honestly think a lot of people spend way too much time online, which warps their moral compass and impedes them from thinking clearly. As I said before the likely social issue at play here is online radicalisation which affects both the left and right. We will know more as the facts emerge but that is the most likely scenario.
QFT. The President clearly himself spends too much time online since he has already condemned the killer as a "radically left" individual when the police have no idea who committed this abhorrent act and were asking the public for assistance.
Trump has also said that it's due to the radical left discourse that political violence is on the rise. It has to be said that the right seem to be pretty outspoken and radical themselves, especially Trump's administration. Kirk 's insistence that black women don't have the "brain power" to be in good jobs (including Michelle Obama) that "should be occupied by white men" staggered me. These are direct quotes from the man himself aired on LBC and taken from his show.
I didn't know much about the deceased prior to yesterday and I do feel sorry for his family but his politics go beyond just right wing I would say. If he was prepared to say such controversial things in public forums I'm surprised he didn't have far more security.
If Trump uses his friend's death as a reason to attack his political opponents and the public who vote democrat then I fear for the trajectory that will likely soon occur not just in the States but the knock on effect it may have here too. The man is an agent of chaos and division.

He had typical Right Wing Christian views.

What do you think they believe?

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Maddog wrote:
Who said black women were stupid?

I lost what your point was after that.🤷

Charlie Kirk. This quote is not exact in grammar but the sentiment is spot on. He said something akin to "black women don't have the brain power to hold down good jobs that should be for white men". He was mocking Michelle Obama amongst others at the time.

I don't wish to speak ill of the dead but surely you knew he held controversial beliefs ( putting it very mildly) I recognise the need for free speech but he also said Martin Luther King "wasn't a nice man" That IS a direct quote. How did he know??

I also said he stated on record that gun fatalities that resulted from the current American gun laws were sadly "worth it".

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy, you said you didn't know anything about him before yesterday.

Sounds like you found a hyper partisan site, got spoonfed some bullshit, and now know less.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Who said black women were stupid?

I lost what your point was after that.🤷
Charlie Kirk. This quote is not exact in grammar but the sentiment is spot on. He said something akin to "black women don't have the brain power to hold down good jobs that should be for white men". He was mocking Michelle Obama amongst others at the time.
I don't wish to speak ill of the dead but surely you knew he held controversial beliefs ( putting it very mildly) I recognise the need for free speech but he also said Martin Luther King "wasn't a nice man" That IS a direct quote. How did he know??
I also said he stated on record that gun fatalities that resulted from the current American gun laws were sadly "worth it".

Post the quote with a link.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
trump is predictably making political haystacks out of this terrible event (wait for the spectacle of the made-for-tv funeral), and Republicans are proceeding with their maudlin near-canonisation of Charlie Kirk.
But I can’t help recalling how one of Kirk’s besties, trump’s failson, celebrated the deranged attack on Nancy Pelosi’s 80-year old husband, whose head was battered to a pulp with a hammer in the dead of night.
Then there’s a Republican US Senator, ripping the piss out of a murderous attack on a Democratic state representative in Minnesota, whose husband and dog were fatally shot too. trump didn’t even bother reaching out to Minnesota’s Governor, Tim Walz to convey condolence (“a waste of time”).

-- Edited by Vam on Thursday 11th of September 2025 05:35:01 PM
Yup, and making it a right .v. left thing is exactly the opposite of what America needs right now.
I honestly think a lot of people spend way too much time online, which warps their moral compass and impedes them from thinking clearly. As I said before the likely social issue at play here is online radicalisation which affects both the left and right. We will know more as the facts emerge but that is the most likely scenario.
QFT. The President clearly himself spends too much time online since he has already condemned the killer as a "radically left" individual when the police have no idea who committed this abhorrent act and were asking the public for assistance.
Trump has also said that it's due to the radical left discourse that political violence is on the rise. It has to be said that the right seem to be pretty outspoken and radical themselves, especially Trump's administration. Kirk 's insistence that black women don't have the "brain power" to be in good jobs (including Michelle Obama) that "should be occupied by white men" staggered me. These are direct quotes from the man himself aired on LBC and taken from his show.
I didn't know much about the deceased prior to yesterday and I do feel sorry for his family but his politics go beyond just right wing I would say. If he was prepared to say such controversial things in public forums I'm surprised he didn't have far more security.
If Trump uses his friend's death as a reason to attack his political opponents and the public who vote democrat then I fear for the trajectory that will likely soon occur not just in the States but the knock on effect it may have here too. The man is an agent of chaos and division.
He had typical Right Wing Christian views.

What do you think they believe?

No he didn't.

Saying black women are less intelligent than white men is going beyond "christian views" . So is objecting to the Civil Rights movement!

I'm talking about Kirk here btw.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 11th of September 2025 10:27:19 PM

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Who said black women were stupid?

I lost what your point was after that.🤷
Charlie Kirk. This quote is not exact in grammar but the sentiment is spot on. He said something akin to "black women don't have the brain power to hold down good jobs that should be for white men". He was mocking Michelle Obama amongst others at the time.
I don't wish to speak ill of the dead but surely you knew he held controversial beliefs ( putting it very mildly) I recognise the need for free speech but he also said Martin Luther King "wasn't a nice man" That IS a direct quote. How did he know??
I also said he stated on record that gun fatalities that resulted from the current American gun laws were sadly "worth it".

Post the quote with a link.

Google is your friend. He said it quite openly. I will have a look though.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Who said black women were stupid?

I lost what your point was after that.🤷
Charlie Kirk. This quote is not exact in grammar but the sentiment is spot on. He said something akin to "black women don't have the brain power to hold down good jobs that should be for white men". He was mocking Michelle Obama amongst others at the time.
I don't wish to speak ill of the dead but surely you knew he held controversial beliefs ( putting it very mildly) I recognise the need for free speech but he also said Martin Luther King "wasn't a nice man" That IS a direct quote. How did he know??
I also said he stated on record that gun fatalities that resulted from the current American gun laws were sadly "worth it".

Post the quote with a link.
Google is your friend. He said it quite openly. I will have a look though.

Google isn't my friend.

If he said it openly it won't take you long to find it.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
trump is predictably making political haystacks out of this terrible event (wait for the spectacle of the made-for-tv funeral), and Republicans are proceeding with their maudlin near-canonisation of Charlie Kirk.
But I can’t help recalling how one of Kirk’s besties, trump’s failson, celebrated the deranged attack on Nancy Pelosi’s 80-year old husband, whose head was battered to a pulp with a hammer in the dead of night.
Then there’s a Republican US Senator, ripping the piss out of a murderous attack on a Democratic state representative in Minnesota, whose husband and dog were fatally shot too. trump didn’t even bother reaching out to Minnesota’s Governor, Tim Walz to convey condolence (“a waste of time”).

-- Edited by Vam on Thursday 11th of September 2025 05:35:01 PM
Yup, and making it a right .v. left thing is exactly the opposite of what America needs right now.
I honestly think a lot of people spend way too much time online, which warps their moral compass and impedes them from thinking clearly. As I said before the likely social issue at play here is online radicalisation which affects both the left and right. We will know more as the facts emerge but that is the most likely scenario.
QFT. The President clearly himself spends too much time online since he has already condemned the killer as a "radically left" individual when the police have no idea who committed this abhorrent act and were asking the public for assistance.
Trump has also said that it's due to the radical left discourse that political violence is on the rise. It has to be said that the right seem to be pretty outspoken and radical themselves, especially Trump's administration. Kirk 's insistence that black women don't have the "brain power" to be in good jobs (including Michelle Obama) that "should be occupied by white men" staggered me. These are direct quotes from the man himself aired on LBC and taken from his show.
I didn't know much about the deceased prior to yesterday and I do feel sorry for his family but his politics go beyond just right wing I would say. If he was prepared to say such controversial things in public forums I'm surprised he didn't have far more security.
If Trump uses his friend's death as a reason to attack his political opponents and the public who vote democrat then I fear for the trajectory that will likely soon occur not just in the States but the knock on effect it may have here too. The man is an agent of chaos and division.
He had typical Right Wing Christian views.

What do you think they believe?
No he didn't.
Saying black women are less intelligent than white men is going beyond "christian views" . So is objecting to the Civil Rights movement!
I'm talking about Kirk here btw.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 11th of September 2025 10:27:19 PM

While your at it, post where he opposed the civil rights movement.

Where are you finding this nonsense?

Date: Sep 11 10:52 PM, 2025

Without Maddog we would have a lot of lunatic Brits applying speculation as fact letting their prejudices run far ahead of them. With these types of people in charge the world would end up in WW3 and beyond.

Date: Sep 11 10:59 PM, 2025

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Who said black women were stupid?

I lost what your point was after that.🤷
Charlie Kirk. This quote is not exact in grammar but the sentiment is spot on. He said something akin to "black women don't have the brain power to hold down good jobs that should be for white men". He was mocking Michelle Obama amongst others at the time.
I don't wish to speak ill of the dead but surely you knew he held controversial beliefs ( putting it very mildly) I recognise the need for free speech but he also said Martin Luther King "wasn't a nice man" That IS a direct quote. How did he know??
I also said he stated on record that gun fatalities that resulted from the current American gun laws were sadly "worth it".

Links to quotes would help those interested enough to read up further plus it helps distinguish bona fide sources from online flakes. Google search doesn’t always help with sentiment.

Thanks.

Digger · Admin

On his visit to the UK he said this....

In his three-day visit to the UK in May, he clashed with students at the Cambridge Union debating society, arguing that “lockdowns were unnecessary”, “life begins at conception”, and the US Civil Rights Act was a “mistake”.

Kirk made the same points in Oxford, also alleging immigrants were “importing insidious values into the west” and that police violence against Black people was a result of a “disproportionate crime problem” in the Black community.

He told the rightwing GB News that the UK was a “husk” of its former self and needed to “get its mojo back”. The perception among US conservatives, he said, was that “this is increasingly a conquered country … We love this country from afar, and we’re really sad about what’s happening to it, and what has happened to it”.

On his first show after returning to the US, Kirk described the UK as a “totalitarian third world hellhole”, adding: “It’s tragic. I don’t say that with glib, I don’t say that with delight. It is sad. It’s chilling and it’s depressing.”

He claimed he had seen a cafe in which “every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman – not a single native Brit” and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.

“They invented free speech,” he said. “Now there’s so much wrong with that country and it is not worthy of making fun of. I mean, you can have some laughs and some comedy, but it is depressing. It is dark.”