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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Charlie Kiirk Shot.

Vam · 1000 Posts!?

Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
How helpful is this rhetoric?
https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1966735871266197618?s=61
His killer has made a martyr of him. And that makes him more powerful in death than in life. Can you blame her? I'd say exactly the same in defiance of all those who celebrated his death.

It‘s a given that would happen, Diggs. And no, of course I don’t blame her - she’s clearly, and rightfully, distraught and grieving.

And, as I predicted a couple of pages ago, it seems her grief and anger will propel her to pick up the mantle of her late husband’s legacy. I also suggested she’ll be a force to be reckoned with. The evangelicals (and trump) will be ecstatic.

https://x.com/lucassa56947288/status/1966676960773288437?s=12

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Fluffy...Regarding the black pilot conversation he had...

I think he meant that when companies say they want their work force to be evenly distributed out to white, black, female, trans, whatever...they are making the figures up by gender. colour, sex, etc, instead of actual talent and knowledge.
So if an airline is opting in to that way of thinking, when passengers see a black pilot (for eg) they would worry he has got that position, not because he was the best person for the job, but because he was black'

That doesn't mean the black pilot is inferior, it means when you know someone is making up the numbers to look 'woke' on paper, perhaps the best applicant didn't get the job.

It seems a terrible thing to think but it's a fact of life and one that needs to be addressed. In August 2024 an under qualified pilot admitted he couldn't land the aircraft in Alaska. Whether he was black, white or sky blue pink is irrelevant. How the hell did he slip the net or get the job? Search the internet and you'll see how many fake and underqualified doctors/surgeons got a job they didn't deserve. One has to ask why? And it's not racist to question this.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that your words matter, but do you think they are unifying?

I'd say you're basically just Blue MAGA..
You’re right. In the grand scheme of things, my words don’t matter. But I’m curious to know who it is I’m supposed to be ‘unifying’ in this context, given that I’m not American and I live in Europe.
Let’s not even bother getting into that bizarre BIB - you’re too much of an energy leech to discuss anything with. But I’m happy for you to think you’re always right about everything. Why change the habit of a lifetime?
You're not supposed to be unifying anyone I guess, you can't. But you're simply part of an ideology/universe that isn't part of the solution. A constant drone of the same unhelpful rhetoric

I guess I'm "draining" when I expect people to stop incessantly talking about people instead of actions or ideas

-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 13th of September 2025 03:22:09 AM
How helpful is this rhetoric?
https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1966735871266197618?s=61
His killer has made a martyr of him. And that makes him more powerful in death than in life. Can you blame her? I'd say exactly the same in defiance of all those who celebrated his death.

It's possible they talked about what would happen in the event of his assassination. That speech seemed too well rehearsed, using language a widow may not use a couple of days after his death...I can imagine those feelings of wanting revenge for his death would come a bit later.

But not being in her shoes, who knows.

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Syl wrote:
Fluffy...Regarding the black pilot conversation he had...

I think he meant that when companies say they want their work force to be evenly distributed out to white, black, female, trans, whatever...they are making the figures up by gender. colour, sex, etc, instead of actual talent and knowledge.
So if an airline is opting in to that way of thinking, when passengers see a black pilot (for eg) they would worry he has got that position, not because he was the best person for the job, but because he was black'

That doesn't mean the black pilot is inferior, it means when you know someone is making up the numbers to look 'woke' on paper, perhaps the best applicant didn't get the job.

"Megyn Kelly angrily accused the “overweight, out-of-shape women” running the Los Angeles Fire Department of being so obsessed with diversity that they’re sending “obese” lesbians to rescue people trapped by the deadly wildfires."

"We want a strong man to rescue us"

Imagine being stuck on the top floor of a burning building and looking down at an obese lesbian trying to make her way up the ladder to rescue you.

Digger · Admin

Red Okktober wrote:
Syl wrote:
Fluffy...Regarding the black pilot conversation he had...

I think he meant that when companies say they want their work force to be evenly distributed out to white, black, female, trans, whatever...they are making the figures up by gender. colour, sex, etc, instead of actual talent and knowledge.
So if an airline is opting in to that way of thinking, when passengers see a black pilot (for eg) they would worry he has got that position, not because he was the best person for the job, but because he was black'

That doesn't mean the black pilot is inferior, it means when you know someone is making up the numbers to look 'woke' on paper, perhaps the best applicant didn't get the job.
"Megyn Kelly angrily accused the “overweight, out-of-shape women” running the Los Angeles Fire Department of being so obsessed with diversity that they’re sending “obese” lesbians to rescue people trapped by the deadly wildfires."
"We want a strong man to rescue us"
Imagine being stuck on the top floor of a burning building and looking down at an obese lesbian trying to make her way up the ladder to rescue you.

Another valid point.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Red Okktober wrote:
Syl wrote:
Fluffy...Regarding the black pilot conversation he had...

I think he meant that when companies say they want their work force to be evenly distributed out to white, black, female, trans, whatever...they are making the figures up by gender. colour, sex, etc, instead of actual talent and knowledge.
So if an airline is opting in to that way of thinking, when passengers see a black pilot (for eg) they would worry he has got that position, not because he was the best person for the job, but because he was black'

That doesn't mean the black pilot is inferior, it means when you know someone is making up the numbers to look 'woke' on paper, perhaps the best applicant didn't get the job.
"Megyn Kelly angrily accused the “overweight, out-of-shape women” running the Los Angeles Fire Department of being so obsessed with diversity that they’re sending “obese” lesbians to rescue people trapped by the deadly wildfires."
"We want a strong man to rescue us"
Imagine being stuck on the top floor of a burning building and looking down at an obese lesbian trying to make her way up the ladder to rescue you.

I remember that. The three of them may have looked masculine, but they also looked like they were not up to physically rescuing people from burning wildfires.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that your words matter, but do you think they are unifying?

I'd say you're basically just Blue MAGA..
You’re right. In the grand scheme of things, my words don’t matter. But I’m curious to know who it is I’m supposed to be ‘unifying’ in this context, given that I’m not American and I live in Europe.
Let’s not even bother getting into that bizarre BIB - you’re too much of an energy leech to discuss anything with. But I’m happy for you to think you’re always right about everything. Why change the habit of a lifetime?
You're not supposed to be unifying anyone I guess, you can't. But you're simply part of an ideology/universe that isn't part of the solution. A constant drone of the same unhelpful rhetoric

I guess I'm "draining" when I expect people to stop incessantly talking about people instead of actions or ideas

-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 13th of September 2025 03:22:09 AM
How helpful is this rhetoric?
https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/1966735871266197618?s=61
His killer has made a martyr of him. And that makes him more powerful in death than in life. Can you blame her? I'd say exactly the same in defiance of all those who celebrated his death.

Exactly. What should a widow of a man who was killed say?

"Sorry my husband said things you didn't agree with and we've learned our lesson and will slowly fade away"🤷

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that your words matter, but do you think they are unifying?

I'd say you're basically just Blue MAGA..
You’re right. In the grand scheme of things, my words don’t matter. But I’m curious to know who it is I’m supposed to be ‘unifying’ in this context, given that I’m not American and I live in Europe.
Let’s not even bother getting into that bizarre BIB - you’re too much of an energy leech to discuss anything with. But I’m happy for you to think you’re always right about everything. Why change the habit of a lifetime?
You're not supposed to be unifying anyone I guess, you can't. But you're simply part of an ideology/universe that isn't part of the solution. A constant drone of the same unhelpful rhetoric

I guess I'm "draining" when I expect people to stop incessantly talking about people instead of actions or ideas

-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 13th of September 2025 03:22:09 AM
So, again, and just to be clear - as a non-American living in Europe, you’re telling me to stop my ’unhelpful’ observations about people in the news, and come up with ‘actions or ideas’ instead.
Okay, happy to help. But I’m sure even you know there really is only ONE obvious solution, to finally break this claustrophobic impasse and stop America from circling the drain, before it’s too late: Americans who love their country should rise up en masse and demand trump - the felon president - be removed from office, along with his cabal of stooges, enablers and sycophants, and especially the 6 deeply corrupt partisans presiding over the highest Court in the land.
But it’s safe to assume trump and his cabal’s choke hold on America is unlikely to loosen anytime soon, and I believe the reason for that simply boils down to this:
https://x.com/angry_staffer/status/1966201848043548741?s=61
Finally, let me turn this over to you and ask YOU, as a proud American: How helpful and proactive are you being to make a difference, other than trying to dictate the narrative among a small group of people on a UK-based forum?

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

Thats all I'm saying. Dehumanizing rhetoric about people isn't helpful. Discussing what they do wrong is..

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Barksdale wrote:

It appears the shooter's father tipped off the authorities and kept him at home until they could arrive. I don't know how I would feel being his Dad given it looks like Utah are going to seek the death penalty. This whole thing is a tragedy.

I think the father did the right thing in the circumstances. The son was easily identifiable from the pics and it probably would only have been a matter of hours before he was caught. Keeping him at home saved him from potentially being shot.
The death penalty may or may not happen, but it will take ages, buying his son more time, albeit on Death Row.
Had the son disappeared from the scene with no footage of him, and the father had grassed him up, then I think that would be more of a moral dilemma for a parent.
Compare this father to the father of the Southport killer. He knew what his son was up to, and the previous week had called all the local taxi firms to stop them picking his son up, to prevent him going on a 'high school massacre' . Why was he calling taxi firms and not the police?
Of the two fathers, I know which one did the right thing.

The crime was heinous, what choice does that give someone no matter it's his child? The whole family could end up in prison if they knew and didn't hand him in. When your child becomes a monster I'm afraid it's the only decent thing to do.

I think his dad knew that his son might not survive an involuntary arrest. His son might still be armed and the cops wouldn't be playing when they came for him.

Date: Sep 13 5:12 PM, 2025

Maddog wrote:
Exactly. What should a widow of a man who was killed say?

"Sorry my husband said things you didn't agree with and we've learned our lesson and will slowly fade away"🤷

Ideally, yes. Great idea there, from a great mind.

Maddog · Go Outside

The kids are not alright. I think growing up on a planet where dehumanizing each other has taken it's toll on them.

Vam · 1000 Posts!?

Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:

So, again, and just to be clear - as a non-American living in Europe, you’re telling me to stop my ’unhelpful’ observations about people in the news, and come up with ‘actions or ideas’ instead.
Okay, happy to help. But I’m sure even you know there really is only ONE obvious solution, to finally break this claustrophobic impasse and stop America from circling the drain, before it’s too late: Americans who love their country should rise up en masse and demand trump - the felon president - be removed from office, along with his cabal of stooges, enablers and sycophants, and especially the 6 deeply corrupt partisans presiding over the highest Court in the land.
But it’s safe to assume trump and his cabal’s choke hold on America is unlikely to loosen anytime soon, and I believe the reason for that simply boils down to this:
https://x.com/angry_staffer/status/1966201848043548741?s=61
Finally, let me turn this over to you and ask YOU, as a proud American: How helpful and proactive are you being to make a difference, other than trying to dictate the narrative among a small group of people on a UK-based forum?
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

Thats all I'm saying. Dehumanizing rhetoric about people isn't helpful. Discussing what they do wrong is..

(way to go for not passing any comment on my attempt to be ‘helpful’, not to mention ignoring the question I asked you 😂)

When it comes to politics, my views are probably a whole planet away from other opinions here. But I always try to respect everyone’s right to express themselves in whatever way they see fit.

I’ve often said that I try to respect your views, in particular, because you’re an American living through the political climate over there in real time. That gives you a measure of credibility, imv. It’s a shame you refuse to extend the same courtesy to me, and seem to often get a bug up your ass about the words I use in my posts. It’s just my own particular way of posting, MD - how about you get TF over it?

I do enjoy posting here, and I’ll carry on doing my thing for as long as Diggs and Syl are willing to give me houseroom.

I sure as hell refuse to tiptoe on eggshells around you. If the wording of my posts offends your sensibilities so damn much, then scroll past me, MD. Just scroll on by ….

Date: Sep 13 5:43 PM, 2025

When a Charlie Kirk vigil poster is deemed ”propaganda” https://x.com/Mindi4Freedom/status/1966650000240202239

Date: Sep 13 5:46 PM, 2025

Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Nadia Hussain is getting a roasting on X, the silly cow.
WTF has Gaza got to do with Charlie Kirk? Race baiting bint
She was spouting off about Charlie Kirk, you race baiting cunt

Her not you Digger, I badly phrased my post.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:

The kids are not alright. I think growing up on a planet where dehumanizing each other has taken it's toll on them.

It's quite frightening where things are leading.

If 42% of young American kids think violence is acceptable because someone is debating in a way they don't like, simply saying things they don't agree with....where will this lead society?

Many people will be afraid to speak openly, it's like gong back to a less civilised time in history....off with his head, but the man next door is saying it about you.

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:

So, again, and just to be clear - as a non-American living in Europe, you’re telling me to stop my ’unhelpful’ observations about people in the news, and come up with ‘actions or ideas’ instead.
Okay, happy to help. But I’m sure even you know there really is only ONE obvious solution, to finally break this claustrophobic impasse and stop America from circling the drain, before it’s too late: Americans who love their country should rise up en masse and demand trump - the felon president - be removed from office, along with his cabal of stooges, enablers and sycophants, and especially the 6 deeply corrupt partisans presiding over the highest Court in the land.
But it’s safe to assume trump and his cabal’s choke hold on America is unlikely to loosen anytime soon, and I believe the reason for that simply boils down to this:
https://x.com/angry_staffer/status/1966201848043548741?s=61
Finally, let me turn this over to you and ask YOU, as a proud American: How helpful and proactive are you being to make a difference, other than trying to dictate the narrative among a small group of people on a UK-based forum?
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

Thats all I'm saying. Dehumanizing rhetoric about people isn't helpful. Discussing what they do wrong is..
(way to go for not passing any comment on my attempt to be ‘helpful’, not to mention ignoring the question I asked you 😂)
When it comes to politics, my views are probably a whole planet away from other opinions here. But I always try to respect everyone’s right to express themselves in whatever way they see fit.
I’ve often said that I try to respect your views, in particular, because you’re an American living through the political climate over there in real time. That gives you a measure of credibility, imv. It’s a shame you refuse to extend the same courtesy to me, and seem to often get a bug up your ass about the words I use in my posts. It’s just my own particular way of posting, MD - how about you get TF over it?
I do enjoy posting here, and I’ll carry on doing my thing for as long as Diggs and Syl are willing to give me houseroom.
I sure as hell refuse to tiptoe on eggshells around you. If the wording of my posts offends your sensibilities so damn much, then scroll past me, MD. Just scroll on by ….

I don't want you to tiptoe around me. I want you to strongly express and defend your beliefs.

To answer your question........

What I do to tone down the increasing rage in my country is to discuss ideas instead of people.

I don't particularly like most of AOCs positions, but I refer to her as AOC not "ghetto bitch Puerto Rican".

I just made that name up, but I'm sure she has been called worse, but she won't be by me..

And when Trump runs his mouth like he is prone to do, I condemn his words without calling him a "fat, orange blob in diapers".

Or at least I try..

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:

The kids are not alright. I think growing up on a planet where dehumanizing each other has taken it's toll on them.
It's quite frightening where things are leading.
If 42% of young American kids think violence is acceptable because someone is debating in a way they don't like, simply saying things they don't agree with....where will this lead society?
Many people will be afraid to speak openly, it's like gong back to a less civilised time in history....off with his head, but the man next door is saying it about you.

And people like Maher have fallen out of favor with young people because he litterly wants to talk to everyone instead of attacking them..

He had Charlie on his podcast about a year ago.

Gavin Newsome, the Governor of California and likely Dem nominee for POTUS also had Charlie on his podcast.

Both caught hell for simply talking to the man..

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digs, Kirk stated that he didn't believe those black ladies had the "brain processing power" to hold down the jobs they "took from white people". In that quote he is saying white people should have had those jobs. Why?
That is a racist statement because he is making a link between intelligence and white people. Those jobs belonged to white people Kirk stated. Because he doesn't doubt the" brain processing power" of white people.
If you note the white individuals who these jobs apparently belong to don't need to have any other merit except their race.
Ergo his statement has nothing to do with the intelligence of the individuals themselves, their lack of brain processing power lies in their ethnicity. It's a transparent racist statement and he wasn't ashamed of his views. Indeed they gained traction.
People just couldn't get away with saying such sinister and vicious things only a decade ago. Times really have changed and not for the better. But I will always maintain the man should not have paid for his views with his life. Those celebrating have made themselves as bad as him.

These men say it better than anyone. Watch it.

They speak for themselves, not all black people. From now on I'm just going to agree to disagree if that will suffice although I will check out the link Avon kindly provided of all the things Kirk actually said as it will be easy for me to copy and paste something I feel relevant being on the same site.I did provide another link to his quotes and I can understand people being appalled at his words. It doesn't excuse them being happy about his death however, if they really are pleased they should seek counselling for psychopathy but at the very least keep their own counsel.

Regretfully my lappy and tablet are both a tad aged and ailing hence why I sometimes miss posts and can't "keep up" . I don't understand how to format the YouTube videos either. Oh..It's all too much

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Vam wrote:
Until recently, I knew little about Charlie Kirk’s widow. Media has now brought her into the spotlight.
And I have to say, she’s an impressive presence in her own right. She’s erudite, charismatic, attractive and supremely confident. She’s too much of a bible-thumper, though, and almost certainly more extreme Right than her late husband.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see her as the obvious shoo-in to replace Charlie as head of Turning Point USA.

-- Edited by Vam on Friday 12th of September 2025 09:55:19 AM
I do feel terribly sorry for her. What happened to her husband should not have happened to anyone, regardless of their views.
Kirk was open about believing white people were superior, they were his beliefs and he cited them often on his show. He also stated that those who passed due to gun crime was not a good enough reason to alter gun laws. Sadly the gun laws were made less restrictive only months before his death.
I can understand why people would take great offence to his beliefs regarding race and I certainly do. But there is no excuse for the plethora of tik toks celebrating his death. He leaves behind two young children and ultimately was a family man. I do fear there may be a backlash from the far right against those callously openly relishing his death and the last thing America needs is more violence and hostility.
He never said white people are superior..

Now you're just lying.

I loathe liars..
Yeah, so do I. So stop lying, deflecting , denying the obvious and explain the below.
Kirk stated that he didn't believe those black ladies had the "brain processing power" to hold down the jobs they "took from white people". In that quote he is saying white people should have had those jobs. Why?
That is a racist statement because he is making a link between intelligence and white people. Those jobs belonged to white people Kirk stated. Because he doesn't doubt the" brain processing power" of white people.
If you note the white individuals who these jobs apparently belong to don't need to have any other merit except their race.
Ergo his statement has nothing to do with the intelligence of the individuals themselves, their lack of brain processing power lies in their ethnicity.
So Mad Dog, do tell why he thinks black women do not have the brain processing power of white people if he doesn't think they are superior ( ANY white people, who hold no other merit at all, no intellectual qualifications, just the trait of being white remember)? He said black people need the help of positive discrimination to get the jobs of white people because they don't have the "BRAIN PROCESING POWER" to get them on their own merit. He didn't say they took the jobs of people of any other ethnicity either, just the jobs of white people.

Did you even watch the video I posted? It is explained on there.
Digs, that is not the extent of what he said. He didn't trust ANY black pilots either, the link for that is on here . The white people These aforementioned black ladies stole jobs from had no other merit except being white, they didn't need to have any other merit or qualifications except their skin colour. It would have been different if he had said positive discrimination was taking jobs from people of other ethnicities, but no it's just white people.
There is far more than that quote alone, I wouldn't base my opinion of someone on just one bigoted opion. But he has many, including saying women should submit to their husbands because they are not in charge, if a lady is r*ped she should be denied an abortion etc.
The problem with Maddog is he rarely texplains, just evades and calls names. I want him to offer a reasoned rational argument of his own. It may not happen but one lives in hope.
We are both up far too late Digs! Goodnight
It's amazing how you have all these quotes down to memory but put up nada when asked..

It's amazing how you conveniently miss links to these quotes earlier on in the thread.

Take two for Madders.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexalisitza/viral-charlie-kirk-quotes

-- Edited by Fluffy on Saturday 13th of September 2025 06:00:15 PM