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Magica · Go Outside

RE: Lenny Henry

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?
The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.
In light of the information I have posted Digs , the UN judge saying we owe 18 Trillion in Reparations and that we are obliged to pay it and 56 commonwealth leaders (including Starmer) requesting discussions for reparatory justice I don't think Henry can be dismissed as mentally unwell or an idiot in this instance as he is merely repeating the conclusion of the UN judge. This has clearly been discussed openly for some time but most of our media coverage is dedicated to immigration so other news is not brought to our attention .
But obviously we don't have the money that Henry is demanding and Starmer has already stated the reparations will not take the form of financial reimbursement. Do you think an apology from Starmer would suffice? I don't. I do think funding educational programmes is an excellent opportunity to help teenagers who are living in poverty and are often forced into gang culture. Starmer has thought of something beneficial for once but wherever he gets the funding from I'm sure he will be robbing Peter to pay Paul, such is the woeful economy.
Due to the overwhelming negative rhetoric from the media concerning other ethnicities black teenagers must be feeling both resentful.and fearful. I feel the appropriate people (not sure who,)should be brought into schools to give educational talks that reinforce that all people are equal regardless of colour and heritage although I doubt that will stop any increased bullying. In this day and age it's disgraceful that this obvious fact needs pointing out.
I do take your point and Red 's but think if the divisive rhetoric that has weirdly become commonplace went back to civilised broadcasting that would be a tremendous step in the right direction.
Obviously we can never make amends for the historical brutal actions of our ancestors but I think the above combined with funding for inner city schools and continuing to support Black Lives Matter (If people wish to) would go a long way. Do you agree or think other things can be done that I'm not considering? I think an apology from Starmer would sound hollow even if he is being sincere.

Black Lives Matter? You mean the 'institution' that filched millions to line the pockets of the individuals running it?

We give millions in foreign aid. Let that suffice.

Do you work and pay taxes?

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?
The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.
In light of the information I have posted Digs , the UN judge saying we owe 18 Trillion in Reparations and that we are obliged to pay it and 56 commonwealth leaders (including Starmer) requesting discussions for reparatory justice I don't think Henry can be dismissed as mentally unwell or an idiot in this instance as he is merely repeating the conclusion of the UN judge. This has clearly been discussed openly for some time but most of our media coverage is dedicated to immigration so other news is not brought to our attention .
But obviously we don't have the money that Henry is demanding and Starmer has already stated the reparations will not take the form of financial reimbursement. Do you think an apology from Starmer would suffice? I don't. I do think funding educational programmes is an excellent opportunity to help teenagers who are living in poverty and are often forced into gang culture. Starmer has thought of something beneficial for once but wherever he gets the funding from I'm sure he will be robbing Peter to pay Paul, such is the woeful economy.
Due to the overwhelming negative rhetoric from the media concerning other ethnicities black teenagers must be feeling both resentful.and fearful. I feel the appropriate people (not sure who,)should be brought into schools to give educational talks that reinforce that all people are equal regardless of colour and heritage although I doubt that will stop any increased bullying. In this day and age it's disgraceful that this obvious fact needs pointing out.
I do take your point and Red 's but think if the divisive rhetoric that has weirdly become commonplace went back to civilised broadcasting that would be a tremendous step in the right direction.
Obviously we can never make amends for the historical brutal actions of our ancestors but I think the above combined with funding for inner city schools and continuing to support Black Lives Matter (If people wish to) would go a long way. Do you agree or think other things can be done that I'm not considering? I think an apology from Starmer would sound hollow even if he is being sincere.

Morgan would like a word with you, because per as usual, white liberal women make every problem worse by their "advocacy"..🙄

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I don't think Lenny Henry has mental health problems or is an idiot.
He cofounded Comic Relief charity 40 years ago and it's still going strong, he has no doubt done a lot more good for people than anyone here has.

Maybe the fact he has seen such suffering and starvation makes him think that somehow forcing a government...which means the people of tge UK to fork out trillions is a way to make amends.

Celebrities live in a bubble, they would not suffer if the government pledged to repay trillions, ordinary people would, the money has to come from somewhere. Maybe celebs should stick to entertaining, and leave world politics to world leaders.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..
Yes we did, but America had loads and also Indians that got nothing from whites taking their land.
You should also cut some checks for Indians and aborigines the world over. 😉
I think the problem is the way POC are being treated now, in America and the UK..the rhetoric used in the media here would of been.unthinkable a decade ago. The poc who were accepted as legal.migrants decades ago and work here consider the UK their home have to endure the "we want immigrants out" message blaring from every news paper, radio station and news channel. I'm sure they are reassured by their colleagues that not everyone thinks this way but they must be fed up of being demonized. This country doesn't go a DAY without banging on about immigration when.the cost of living crisis is a far more pressing problem
In America ICE are just bundling people who appear to be of ethnic origin into vans to detention centres, people who were often born in.the US. I know they are given a chance to explain their origins while detained but this dehumanizing behaviour is horrific.It's like something out of 1984.
I think these comments by Gary Neville and Lenny Henry are just using their platforms as celebrities to drown out the right wing media just a little and to remind the xenophobic billionaires behind these news organisations that not everyone agrees.
You want us to write checks to Hispanics too?

What about women?

Think how they were treated in the past.

How much are you going to pay and how much should you receive?
If you read the post above a UK judge said we do owe 18 trillion in reparations hence why Henry is even addressing this. And a document was signed by 56 commonwealth leaders that call for discussions on reparatory justice for the slave trade. Reparations are not being addressed for women or Hispanic people, rightly or wrongly.
Henry demanding money is in bad faith as he knows due to the Tory government our economy is in diabolical shape . It implies reparations will take the form of more funding for education programmes in inner city areas where poc are living in poverty.
Maybe a public apology could be issued by Starmer, but that would be for optics and not help the situation There is one thing that can be done.
This current rhetoric in the right wing media dehumanizing immigrants and by association POC could cease. Since this divisive rhetoric has become commonplace it is making British people who happen to be POC feel like they have a target on their back. Maybe the discussion and waving of flags could take a back seat for a short time. In the 1970's apparently racist skinheads donned the flag chanting "There ain't no black in the Union Jack" .
Combine this with the openly racist abuse heard at marches , and the right wing parties fighting over who can leave the ECHU fast enough to get rid of black legal migrants and I think I can I understand why British POC and legal migrants feel unwanted and intimidated.
Sorry for long post Madders, I know you are not keen. But if owed reparatory justice can not take a financial form maybe the constant divisive rhetoric from the television that make POC feel fearful for their safety could cease. A return to normality in other words and people could hear about other news for a change which would be refreshing for everyone.

I have no problems with long posts that say something. Yours are just rambling word salads in which you pretend to be a spokesperson for black folks..

You sound a lot like Kamala..

-- Edited by Maddog on Thursday 9th of October 2025 05:10:25 PM

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Syl wrote:
I don't think Lenny Henry has mental health problems or is an idiot.

Claiming that black unemployment and black crime only exist because of slavery hundreds of years ago, isn't something that someone with all their marbles would say

As discussed, there are plenty of successful black people, and also law abiding black people - so how come those people have somehow avoided being dragged down into the gutter by the effects of historical slavery?

Without a doubt, it's by far the funniest thing he has ever said.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Red Okktober wrote:
Syl wrote:
I don't think Lenny Henry has mental health problems or is an idiot.

Claiming that black unemployment and black crime only exist because of slavery hundreds of years ago, isn't something that someone with all their marbles would say
As discussed, there are plenty of successful black people, and also law abiding black people - so how come those people have somehow avoided being dragged down into the gutter by the effects of historical slavery?
Without a doubt, it's by far the funniest thing he has ever said.

I think he is wrong, but that doesn't make him an idiot.

Like I said, he has seen so much suffering when he visits black countries, it's bound to have an impact.

I also think he, and every other celeb who lives their own lives far detached from 'normal' people...should keep out of politics. Too many drop their words of wisdom and they have a big influence on many people who can't think for themselves.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?
The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.
In light of the information I have posted Digs , the UN judge saying we owe 18 Trillion in Reparations and that we are obliged to pay it and 56 commonwealth leaders (including Starmer) requesting discussions for reparatory justice I don't think Henry can be dismissed as mentally unwell or an idiot in this instance as he is merely repeating the conclusion of the UN judge. This has clearly been discussed openly for some time but most of our media coverage is dedicated to immigration so other news is not brought to our attention .
But obviously we don't have the money that Henry is demanding and Starmer has already stated the reparations will not take the form of financial reimbursement. Do you think an apology from Starmer would suffice? I don't. I do think funding educational programmes is an excellent opportunity to help teenagers who are living in poverty and are often forced into gang culture. Starmer has thought of something beneficial for once but wherever he gets the funding from I'm sure he will be robbing Peter to pay Paul, such is the woeful economy.
Due to the overwhelming negative rhetoric from the media concerning other ethnicities black teenagers must be feeling both resentful.and fearful. I feel the appropriate people (not sure who,)should be brought into schools to give educational talks that reinforce that all people are equal regardless of colour and heritage although I doubt that will stop any increased bullying. In this day and age it's disgraceful that this obvious fact needs pointing out.
I do take your point and Red 's but think if the divisive rhetoric that has weirdly become commonplace went back to civilised broadcasting that would be a tremendous step in the right direction.
Obviously we can never make amends for the historical brutal actions of our ancestors but I think the above combined with funding for inner city schools and continuing to support Black Lives Matter (If people wish to) would go a long way. Do you agree or think other things can be done that I'm not considering? I think an apology from Starmer would sound hollow even if he is being sincere.

Black Lives Matter? You mean the 'institution' that filched millions to line the pockets of the individuals running it?
We give millions in foreign aid. Let that suffice.
Do you work and pay taxes?

I don't think it matters how Black Lives Matter originated as long as it is no longer a ruse to make its creators rich..what matters is the people who do support it are sincere and want to genuinely show they are deeply sorry for the past. Those who don't want to support it should feel no pressure to do so.

As for foreign aid Starmer in his infinite wisdom cut it. He really can be a tit, it cannot be denied. We now pay far less foreign aid than most countries although we are broke in fairness. I guess charity begins at home.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?
The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.
In light of the information I have posted Digs , the UN judge saying we owe 18 Trillion in Reparations and that we are obliged to pay it and 56 commonwealth leaders (including Starmer) requesting discussions for reparatory justice I don't think Henry can be dismissed as mentally unwell or an idiot in this instance as he is merely repeating the conclusion of the UN judge. This has clearly been discussed openly for some time but most of our media coverage is dedicated to immigration so other news is not brought to our attention .
But obviously we don't have the money that Henry is demanding and Starmer has already stated the reparations will not take the form of financial reimbursement. Do you think an apology from Starmer would suffice? I don't. I do think funding educational programmes is an excellent opportunity to help teenagers who are living in poverty and are often forced into gang culture. Starmer has thought of something beneficial for once but wherever he gets the funding from I'm sure he will be robbing Peter to pay Paul, such is the woeful economy.
Due to the overwhelming negative rhetoric from the media concerning other ethnicities black teenagers must be feeling both resentful.and fearful. I feel the appropriate people (not sure who,)should be brought into schools to give educational talks that reinforce that all people are equal regardless of colour and heritage although I doubt that will stop any increased bullying. In this day and age it's disgraceful that this obvious fact needs pointing out.
I do take your point and Red 's but think if the divisive rhetoric that has weirdly become commonplace went back to civilised broadcasting that would be a tremendous step in the right direction.
Obviously we can never make amends for the historical brutal actions of our ancestors but I think the above combined with funding for inner city schools and continuing to support Black Lives Matter (If people wish to) would go a long way. Do you agree or think other things can be done that I'm not considering? I think an apology from Starmer would sound hollow even if he is being sincere.

Morgan would like a word with you, because per as usual, white liberal women make every problem worse by their "advocacy"..🙄

Well I'm fairness I just put Henry's otherwise bizarre demands for money in context. It's been decided by the UN judge that we owe 18 Trillion in reparations to POC,not me!! But don't let the facts interfere with your narrative Madders. You don't usually

I was just trying to think what form the reparations could take as obviously nobody can afford such a fortune as 18 Trillion.

A clip including Morgan 's velvet tones are always welcome so thankyou. He has a lovely voice. EDIT You have totally missed the point of what he said. I totally agree with him that skin colour should simply be removed entirely from discourse,. It shouldn't be mentioned, it's not even a consideration but amid these murky political waters good luck trying to get Reform voters to agree with his outlook.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 9th of October 2025 11:56:57 PM

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Red Okktober wrote:
Syl wrote:
I don't think Lenny Henry has mental health problems or is an idiot.

Claiming that black unemployment and black crime only exist because of slavery hundreds of years ago, isn't something that someone with all their marbles would say
As discussed, there are plenty of successful black people, and also law abiding black people - so how come those people have somehow avoided being dragged down into the gutter by the effects of historical slavery?
Without a doubt, it's by far the funniest thing he has ever said.

Did you miss why he was talking about reparations?It's a UN judge has decided we owe 18 Trillion, not Lenny Henry..

You said in an earlier post that there were lots of black gangs committing crime or something akin to that. There are also plenty of white gangs committing crime so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. It hasn't helped that the UK economy has got much worse under years of misguided Tory austerity.

I don't see why you assume he is mentally ill just because you disagree with his point either. It just seems a bit harsh.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Syl wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Syl wrote:
I don't think Lenny Henry has mental health problems or is an idiot.

Claiming that black unemployment and black crime only exist because of slavery hundreds of years ago, isn't something that someone with all their marbles would say
As discussed, there are plenty of successful black people, and also law abiding black people - so how come those people have somehow avoided being dragged down into the gutter by the effects of historical slavery?
Without a doubt, it's by far the funniest thing he has ever said.
I think he is wrong, but that doesn't make him an idiot.
Like I said, he has seen so much suffering when he visits black countries, it's bound to have an impact.
I also think he, and every other celeb who lives their own lives far detached from 'normal' people...should keep out of politics. Too many drop their words of wisdom and they have a big influence on many people who can't think for themselves.

I totally agree with BIB Syl. I think he is wrong to expect money also. But maybe he didn't and was just trying to bring this UN ruling into the public consciousness.

However I think.celebrities are entitled to their political opinion, just like everyone else. I think it's unfair and a tad extreme to say they can't enter the realm of political discourse. They might be detached from the reality from "normal people" but surely that's all relative.The middle classes have no idea what it's like to struggle on minimum wage to feed their kids but we don't deny them their political stance.

I don't go on social media personally but agree people can be influenced in many spheres to their detriment. But we can't deny freedom of speech to anyone even if their rhetoric will con the naive, whether people are fooled by snake oil salesmen or celebrities.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?
The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.
In light of the information I have posted Digs , the UN judge saying we owe 18 Trillion in Reparations and that we are obliged to pay it and 56 commonwealth leaders (including Starmer) requesting discussions for reparatory justice I don't think Henry can be dismissed as mentally unwell or an idiot in this instance as he is merely repeating the conclusion of the UN judge. This has clearly been discussed openly for some time but most of our media coverage is dedicated to immigration so other news is not brought to our attention .
But obviously we don't have the money that Henry is demanding and Starmer has already stated the reparations will not take the form of financial reimbursement. Do you think an apology from Starmer would suffice? I don't. I do think funding educational programmes is an excellent opportunity to help teenagers who are living in poverty and are often forced into gang culture. Starmer has thought of something beneficial for once but wherever he gets the funding from I'm sure he will be robbing Peter to pay Paul, such is the woeful economy.
Due to the overwhelming negative rhetoric from the media concerning other ethnicities black teenagers must be feeling both resentful.and fearful. I feel the appropriate people (not sure who,)should be brought into schools to give educational talks that reinforce that all people are equal regardless of colour and heritage although I doubt that will stop any increased bullying. In this day and age it's disgraceful that this obvious fact needs pointing out.
I do take your point and Red 's but think if the divisive rhetoric that has weirdly become commonplace went back to civilised broadcasting that would be a tremendous step in the right direction.
Obviously we can never make amends for the historical brutal actions of our ancestors but I think the above combined with funding for inner city schools and continuing to support Black Lives Matter (If people wish to) would go a long way. Do you agree or think other things can be done that I'm not considering? I think an apology from Starmer would sound hollow even if he is being sincere.

Morgan would like a word with you, because per as usual, white liberal women make every problem worse by their "advocacy"..🙄
Well I'm fairness I just put Henry's otherwise bizarre demands for money in context. It's been decided by the UN judge that we owe 18 Trillion in reparations to POC,not me!! But don't let the facts interfere with your narrative Madders. You don't usually
I was just trying to think what form the reparations could take as obviously nobody can afford such a fortune as 18 Trillion.
A clip including Morgan 's velvet tones are always welcome so thankyou. He has a lovely voice. EDIT You have totally missed the point of what he said. I totally agree with him that skin colour should simply be removed entirely from discourse,. It shouldn't be mentioned, it's not even a consideration but amid these murky political waters good luck trying to get Reform voters to agree with his outlook.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 9th of October 2025 11:56:57 PM

I can't even get you to agree with his outlook, making you the same as any Reform voter..

Barksdale · Musing at the Chaos

If you profit from a crime should you have to pay back the proceeds?

Personally, I think the reparations argument is not the way to go however. It is unnecessarily divisive.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Madders I think most Reform voters would take issue with your conclusion!

Within the framework of this thread where a UN judge has declared we owe 18 Trillion in reparations (how he was able to decide upon any exact figure I'm not entirely sure) and Starmer has ruled out financial recompense I was trying to think of the appropriate action to take.

Now, this thread aside I agree with Morgan's last statements. I don't think race should be included in discourse about people unless the topic is specifically about race as it is all too often recently. When children play together they don't see colour, just friends. It is a shame adults do not retain this view as there are bad and good people within all ethnicities. But as you know, in the UK we currently have an immigration crisis and the rhetoric used by by certain facets of the media is imo dehumanizing.

Some broadcasters (not all) and as a result some everyday people are using xenophobic language against people of colour as they seem to have gradually become included in the media discourse originally discussing the small boats and refugees. An example of this is the sudden display of the Union Jack which I agree people should be able to display with pride. Sadly due to its connotations with the racist rhetoric adopted by white people draped in the flag in the 70's not all people are displaying the flag in good faith. Some (but of course not all) Reform voters and those who are xenophobic will never agree with Morgan 's view as they certainly do see colour and race. And therein lies the problem. I wish colour was not even a consideration, it's irrelevant like eye colour. But now the Government have pledged to reveal the race of people committing crimes race will inevitably mentioned more.

To conclude (Before you fall asleep) it doesn't matter that I agree with Morgan or even that Morgan holds this view. He is just one individual and other poc may appreciate black history month. From YouTube content I have seen some poc don't want slavery to be forgotten, they want the slaughtering and torturing of their ancestors to be remembered and honoured. So ultimately as lovely as Morgan is he is not really his character in Bruce Almighty . The views of other poc have to be considered.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Friday 10th of October 2025 10:43:50 AM

Vam · Go Outside.

My probably spurious point of view in this reparations discussion: I can’t help but raise an eyebrow when I think of the black-on-black atrocities going on in the world. For example ….

Will people clamour for reparation from the Boko Haram insurgents, who are wreaking homicidal havoc in their quest to rid Nigeria of every Christian they encounter?

Who will demand reparation for the barbaric violence and terror being inflicted on Haitians, by the gangs who have a chokehold control of Haiti?

Slavery was, and continues to be, horrific. Of course it should be denounced and railed against whenever possible. But there’s enough unrest and divisiveness going on in this crazy, mixed-up, fucked-up world, without adding more virtue-signalling activism.

Sometimes, people just need to take a breath and count their blessings. I’m sorry, but that’s just my opinion, fwiw.

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?
The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.
In light of the information I have posted Digs , the UN judge saying we owe 18 Trillion in Reparations and that we are obliged to pay it and 56 commonwealth leaders (including Starmer) requesting discussions for reparatory justice I don't think Henry can be dismissed as mentally unwell or an idiot in this instance as he is merely repeating the conclusion of the UN judge. This has clearly been discussed openly for some time but most of our media coverage is dedicated to immigration so other news is not brought to our attention .
But obviously we don't have the money that Henry is demanding and Starmer has already stated the reparations will not take the form of financial reimbursement. Do you think an apology from Starmer would suffice? I don't. I do think funding educational programmes is an excellent opportunity to help teenagers who are living in poverty and are often forced into gang culture. Starmer has thought of something beneficial for once but wherever he gets the funding from I'm sure he will be robbing Peter to pay Paul, such is the woeful economy.
Due to the overwhelming negative rhetoric from the media concerning other ethnicities black teenagers must be feeling both resentful.and fearful. I feel the appropriate people (not sure who,)should be brought into schools to give educational talks that reinforce that all people are equal regardless of colour and heritage although I doubt that will stop any increased bullying. In this day and age it's disgraceful that this obvious fact needs pointing out.
I do take your point and Red 's but think if the divisive rhetoric that has weirdly become commonplace went back to civilised broadcasting that would be a tremendous step in the right direction.
Obviously we can never make amends for the historical brutal actions of our ancestors but I think the above combined with funding for inner city schools and continuing to support Black Lives Matter (If people wish to) would go a long way. Do you agree or think other things can be done that I'm not considering? I think an apology from Starmer would sound hollow even if he is being sincere.

Black Lives Matter? You mean the 'institution' that filched millions to line the pockets of the individuals running it?
We give millions in foreign aid. Let that suffice.
Do you work and pay taxes?
I don't think it matters how Black Lives Matter originated as long as it is no longer a ruse to make its creators rich..what matters is the people who do support it are sincere and want to genuinely show they are deeply sorry for the past. Those who don't want to support it should feel no pressure to do so.
As for foreign aid Starmer in his infinite wisdom cut it. He really can be a tit, it cannot be denied. We now pay far less foreign aid than most countries although we are broke in fairness. I guess charity begins at home.

Fluffy I don't answer questions about what I post on here in private pms. To answer your question, I asked whether you worked and paid taxes because many who don't work and pay taxes can't appreciate how those who do feel regarding reparations etc. It's a question I'd ask anyone and anyone is free to either answer it or ignore it.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?
The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.
In light of the information I have posted Digs , the UN judge saying we owe 18 Trillion in Reparations and that we are obliged to pay it and 56 commonwealth leaders (including Starmer) requesting discussions for reparatory justice I don't think Henry can be dismissed as mentally unwell or an idiot in this instance as he is merely repeating the conclusion of the UN judge. This has clearly been discussed openly for some time but most of our media coverage is dedicated to immigration so other news is not brought to our attention .
But obviously we don't have the money that Henry is demanding and Starmer has already stated the reparations will not take the form of financial reimbursement. Do you think an apology from Starmer would suffice? I don't. I do think funding educational programmes is an excellent opportunity to help teenagers who are living in poverty and are often forced into gang culture. Starmer has thought of something beneficial for once but wherever he gets the funding from I'm sure he will be robbing Peter to pay Paul, such is the woeful economy.
Due to the overwhelming negative rhetoric from the media concerning other ethnicities black teenagers must be feeling both resentful.and fearful. I feel the appropriate people (not sure who,)should be brought into schools to give educational talks that reinforce that all people are equal regardless of colour and heritage although I doubt that will stop any increased bullying. In this day and age it's disgraceful that this obvious fact needs pointing out.
I do take your point and Red 's but think if the divisive rhetoric that has weirdly become commonplace went back to civilised broadcasting that would be a tremendous step in the right direction.
Obviously we can never make amends for the historical brutal actions of our ancestors but I think the above combined with funding for inner city schools and continuing to support Black Lives Matter (If people wish to) would go a long way. Do you agree or think other things can be done that I'm not considering? I think an apology from Starmer would sound hollow even if he is being sincere.

Black Lives Matter? You mean the 'institution' that filched millions to line the pockets of the individuals running it?
We give millions in foreign aid. Let that suffice.
Do you work and pay taxes?
I don't think it matters how Black Lives Matter originated as long as it is no longer a ruse to make its creators rich..what matters is the people who do support it are sincere and want to genuinely show they are deeply sorry for the past. Those who don't want to support it should feel no pressure to do so.
As for foreign aid Starmer in his infinite wisdom cut it. He really can be a tit, it cannot be denied. We now pay far less foreign aid than most countries although we are broke in fairness. I guess charity begins at home.
Fluffy I don't answer questions about what I post on here in private pms. To answer your question, I asked whether you worked and paid taxes because many who don't work and pay taxes can't appreciate how those who do feel regarding reparations etc. It's a question I'd ask anyone and anyone is free to either answer it or ignore it.

Regarding BIB I obviously worked before my circumstances now and I don't think I felt any differently concerning reparations when I worked or when I didn't. I could understand your premise if someone had never worked. But no worries x

I would not ignore you Digs as you are the owner of the forum who is allowing me to post on your platform.

I don't agree that there should be any financial reparations as I have said earlier in this thread. But the problem is I am not a person of colour, so I feel it simply it is not my decision to make.

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:
to either answer it or ignore it.
Regarding BIB I obviously worked before my circumstances now and I don't think I felt any differently concerning reparations when I worked or when I didn't. I could understand your premise if someone had never worked. But no worries x
I would not ignore you Digs as you are the owner of the forum who is allowing me to post on your platform.
I don't agree that there should be any financial reparations as I have said earlier in this thread. But the problem is I am not a person of colour, so I feel it simply it is not my decision to make.

So, all the people of colour who work and pay taxes will, fundamentally, have to contribute to their own reparations.

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
My probably spurious point of view in this reparations discussion: I can’t help but raise an eyebrow when I think of the black-on-black atrocities going on in the world. For example ….
Will people clamour for reparation from the Boko Haram insurgents, who are wreaking homicidal havoc in their quest to rid Nigeria of every Christian they encounter?
Who will demand reparation for the barbaric violence and terror being inflicted on Haitians, by the gangs who have a chokehold control of Haiti?
Slavery was, and continues to be, horrific. Of course it should be denounced and railed against whenever possible. But there’s enough unrest and divisiveness going on in this crazy, mixed-up, fucked-up world, without adding more virtue-signalling activism.
Sometimes, people just need to take a breath and count their blessings. I’m sorry, but that’s just my opinion, fwiw.

As in just about every race, most of the damage done is done by folks of the same group.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
to either answer it or ignore it.
Regarding BIB I obviously worked before my circumstances now and I don't think I felt any differently concerning reparations when I worked or when I didn't. I could understand your premise if someone had never worked. But no worries x
I would not ignore you Digs as you are the owner of the forum who is allowing me to post on your platform.
I don't agree that there should be any financial reparations as I have said earlier in this thread. But the problem is I am not a person of colour, so I feel it simply it is not my decision to make.
So, all the people of colour who work and pay taxes will, fundamentally, have to contribute to their own reparations.

No because Starmer said reparations would not be financial. He discussed funding educational programmes in areas where it is needed and fwiw as trite as it sounds, it certainly can't do any harm.

I don't feel.we can ever repay for what our ancestors did whether by virtuous deeds or financial recompense. Some people of colour don't want a Black History Month either but others do. I don't feel.It is really white people's place to decide.