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Digger · Admin

Is Reform MP racist or just saying what some people think?

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Syl wrote:
She may be racist, I don't know anything about her.

Black and Asian people do seem to feature a lot more than whites in many TV ads, also, if the BBC is doing an outside broadcast, particularly at a school or college, they more often than not interview none English born kids. It doesn't bother me, but it is a fact.
Perhaps it's reverse racism on behalf of the media.
Syl, I honestly don't see this. After this became a news story and I saw the Reform MP citing her disgust I sat down.and prepared to watch a few adverts.
It was highly tedious but a washing machine product had a blonde beauty , a crisps adverts featured white teenagers and a Kiko make up advert with a white model. The last advert for sofa's showed two black couples and one white couple.
But I recognise that might happen to.be the adverts I was shown at the time. If I had seen mostly POC I can honestly say I wouldn't have cared less.
I have noted the BIB to be true but I think that's a positive thing in children 's educational programmes as children don't see colour. The hatred and loathing is learned. So I do live in hope that normalizing all colours and creeds will halt this terrifying trend in the younger generation before the Murdoch media attempts to manipulate them.
Ten years ago The Sun called out Nigel Farage for being racist..that would never happen now..Racist discourse has become so much more acceptable in the last ten years.
What's become more common is calling out the bullshit in terms of racism..

And the folks spewing nonsense don't like it..

Good.👍
I thought the huge amount of politically correct people against racism were drowning those shy and retiring Reform enablers out??
Make your mind up Madders.

I've never suggested anything of the sort.

The woke nuts are as loud as ever. They are just getting ignored more..

Good. 👍

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
I think it's silly to consider different views on race as racism.

Wondering why some races are over represented in adverts isn't racism, it's asking why does race seem to be so important in adverts.

Why are you looking at people and seeing the colour of their skin instead of just people would be the.more pertinent question imo.

Maybe if it was totally out of hand and in most adverts POC were featured say 75% you would have a point. But that's not the case so you don't.

If you look at dramas and films on television the majority of the cast are white with a few token people of colour. And it has improved, it used to be much worse only about 15 years ago .

Have we had a black James Bond yet? Think of all the movie icons Sean Connery,Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Clint Eastwood, Brad Pitt even.The younger generation it's Zac Efron, Henry Cavill, ..there are NO people of colour as leading men except Morgan Freeman

What's wrong with evening up the score up a little?

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
I think it's silly to consider different views on race as racism.

Wondering why some races are over represented in adverts isn't racism, it's asking why does race seem to be so important in adverts.
Why are you looking at people and seeing the colour of their skin instead of just people would be the.more pertinent question imo.
Maybe if it was totally out of hand and in most adverts POC were featured say 75% you would have a point. But that's not the case so you don't.
If you look at dramas and films on television the majority of the cast are white with a few token people of colour. And it has improved, it used to be much worse only about 15 years ago .
Have we had a black James Bond yet? Think of all the movie icons Sean Connery,Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Clint Eastwood, Brad Pitt even.The younger generation it's Zac Efron, Henry Cavill, ..there are NO people of colour as leading men except Morgan Freeman
What's wrong with evening up the score up a little?

Why did you start this thread?

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
I think it's silly to consider different views on race as racism.

Wondering why some races are over represented in adverts isn't racism, it's asking why does race seem to be so important in adverts.
Why are you looking at people and seeing the colour of their skin instead of just people would be the.more pertinent question imo.
Maybe if it was totally out of hand and in most adverts POC were featured say 75% you would have a point. But that's not the case so you don't.
If you look at dramas and films on television the majority of the cast are white with a few token people of colour. And it has improved, it used to be much worse only about 15 years ago .
Have we had a black James Bond yet? Think of all the movie icons Sean Connery,Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Clint Eastwood, Brad Pitt even.The younger generation it's Zac Efron, Henry Cavill, ..there are NO people of colour as leading men except Morgan Freeman
What's wrong with evening up the score up a little?

We've had plenty of black actors taking major parts in movies. Loads of them. You make it sound like there are none at all. We've got Idris Elba. Will Smith. Jamie Foxx. Samuel L Jackson. Danny Glover. Denzel Washington. Wesley Snipes. Laurence Fishburne. Dwayne Johnson. Forest Whittaker. Michael B Jordan. James Earl Jones. Cuba Gooding Jnr. Mekhi Phifer. Don Cheadle. Sidney Poitier. Eddie Murphy. Billy Dee Williams. Richard Pryor. The list goes on and on.

Female black actors the same. Hundreds of them.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Vam wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Vam wrote:
Re your thread title, Fluff: Why not both? 🤷🏻‍♀️
I did consider that. The two aren't mutually exclusive but Reform.voters go mad if you suggest the title can be accurate in.both respects.I personally think most of Reform MP's are racist because they claimed they were only concerned with illegal immigrants which is totally legitimate.
Yet they want to get rid of legal migrants who work and have been living here for decades if they get elected. And now they object to British POC on television. They are slowly moving the political (and moral) goalposts to test the waters.
It's such a weird thing to care about, seeing black people in adverts. The country is steeped in poverty due to years of Tory austerity (except the billionaires are better off financially. How is this possible?)and I feel Reform intend to lead people to their own economic demise by using their prejudices.
BIB: It IS accurate in both respects, imo
One thing’s for sure - whether they’re rabid racists or not - they’ve certainly mastered the art of chucking triggering chum out to their base. Straight out of you-know-whose playbook….

I certainly agree with both statements,!

This was probably just diversion tactics as Reform were supposed to win.an important by election here in.Wales where Labour have won literally since 1913(or thereabouts!)

Plaid Cymru won which shows the electorate can be swayed by good people who actually care about local problems and public services.

Reform pretend to be the party of the people but millionaire Farage would privatise the NHS and make cuts anywhere he chose once in power. He hadn't even.denied this.

The only thing you can be sure of is tax breaks for the wealthy and yes,his promise will be kept to.the commoners (as he views them) Farage will ensure all poc leave our shores by leaving the ECHR. Even the ones who have been working in the NHS and the care sector for 20 years. Make it make sense..

We are definitely going down the American route. whether the rest of us like it or not.🤷 You have it better Vam ! 💃

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Syl wrote:
She may be racist, I don't know anything about her.

Black and Asian people do seem to feature a lot more than whites in many TV ads, also, if the BBC is doing an outside broadcast, particularly at a school or college, they more often than not interview none English born kids. It doesn't bother me, but it is a fact.
Perhaps it's reverse racism on behalf of the media.
Syl, I honestly don't see this. After this became a news story and I saw the Reform MP citing her disgust I sat down.and prepared to watch a few adverts.
It was highly tedious but a washing machine product had a blonde beauty , a crisps adverts featured white teenagers and a Kiko make up advert with a white model. The last advert for sofa's showed two black couples and one white couple.
But I recognise that might happen to.be the adverts I was shown at the time. If I had seen mostly POC I can honestly say I wouldn't have cared less.
I have noted the BIB to be true but I think that's a positive thing in children 's educational programmes as children don't see colour. The hatred and loathing is learned. So I do live in hope that normalizing all colours and creeds will halt this terrifying trend in the younger generation before the Murdoch media attempts to manipulate them.
Ten years ago The Sun called out Nigel Farage for being racist..that would never happen now..Racist discourse has become so much more acceptable in the last ten years.
What's become more common is calling out the bullshit in terms of racism..

And the folks spewing nonsense don't like it..

Good.👍
I thought the huge amount of politically correct people against racism were drowning those shy and retiring Reform enablers out??
Make your mind up Madders.
I've never suggested anything of the sort.

The woke nuts are as loud as ever. They are just getting ignored more..

Good. 👍

Oh yes you did. Anyway back to The reality of the situation,The British woke nuts are few. If what you were suggesting was true people wouldn't be permitted to say what this Reform MP said. She only apologised due to the outrage her comments caused (including Reform.voters which gives me hope)

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
A few years ago, practically every Xmas ad from the big companies featured a black mum or dad married to a white mum or dad, with a mixed race kid.

I'm not sure what the percentage of mixed race families are in the UK, but anyone watching the ads might think it was 100%.
Regarding BIB, you actually noted that? Why does it matter the skin colour of people in.adverts in.any event?
Well, it clearly matters to some people. It's all engineered by the leftie wokerati though many major retailers have learned the hard way that marketing is very very important to your brand and losing sight of who your customer base is, is extremely detrimental.
In a mostly white country, it's not wise to undervalue your main customers.
So, the question is, would you go over to say, Japan or Africa and tell them they need to utilise more white people in their ads and media? I bet you wouldn't.

That's because it's an inaccurate parallel. Japan and Africa have predominantly Japanese and African people there who happen to look Japanese and black.

Here, being British means you are white or black.

So being right wing and more specifically, being a potential supporter of Reform, IS more than just caring about immigration? The colour of British people born and bred clearly matters too.

When Avon posted a video of people depicting white people expressing the exact same sentiment posters here said it wasn't about colour and doubted the video source yet right wing folk here don't think it's racist for a white MP to say she gets angry at seeing black people on television?

Why can't black British people be represented 1% more than white British people in adverts? What's wrong with that? It's only a percentage more!

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
A few years ago, practically every Xmas ad from the big companies featured a black mum or dad married to a white mum or dad, with a mixed race kid.

I'm not sure what the percentage of mixed race families are in the UK, but anyone watching the ads might think it was 100%.
Regarding BIB, you actually noted that? Why does it matter the skin colour of people in.adverts in.any event?
Well, it clearly matters to some people. It's all engineered by the leftie wokerati though many major retailers have learned the hard way that marketing is very very important to your brand and losing sight of who your customer base is, is extremely detrimental.
In a mostly white country, it's not wise to undervalue your main customers.
So, the question is, would you go over to say, Japan or Africa and tell them they need to utilise more white people in their ads and media? I bet you wouldn't.

That's because it's an inaccurate parallel. Japan and Africa have predominantly Japanese and African people there who happen to look Japanese and black.
Here, being British means you are white or black.
So being right wing and more specifically, being a potential supporter of Reform, IS more than just caring about immigration? The colour of British people born and bred clearly matters too.
When Avon posted a video of people depicting white people expressing the exact same sentiment posters here said it wasn't about colour and doubted the video source yet right wing folk here don't think it's racist for a white MP to say she gets angry at seeing black people on television?
Why can't black British people be represented 1% more than white British people in adverts? What's wrong with that? It's only a percentage more!

The percentage of black people in the uk is 4 percent. So why shouldn't white people have the majority of representation? That certainly applies in Japan.

For white people born in Japan, being legally considered Japanese depends on the nationality of the parents, not their place of birth or their race.Japan follows jus sanguinis ("right of blood"), a legal principle where citizenship is determined by the nationality of one's parents, rather than jus soli ("right of soil"), which grants automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country.

So are the Japanese racist?

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I don't expect many replies to this as negative right wing feedback isn't generally posted but I will give it a go.
British MP Sarah Pochin has declared she is driven mad by seeing people of colour in adverts .She later apologised for her comments but I doubt she was sincere,merely concerned about losing her job. 51% of people in adverts are POC and the rest are white. Why is she even concerned??
I think it is of course racist to declare she doesn't want to see black people on television. But what bothers me more is how she wouldn't have been permitted to say this a decade ago and how much the media have allowed such abhorrent views to become normal discourse. Imagine how her comments make POC feel. The narrative is that Reform and their voters are not racist ,they are just concerned about immigrants. So why is Pochin talking about being drove mad about Black British people??
Do you think her views are racist or realism? Is it all a fuss about nothing? Or do you feel her comments prove Reform MP's are racist as this rhetoric has nothing to do with immigration?
Speaking to TalkTV on Saturday, Pochin stated that it “drove her mad” seeing a high proportion of minorities featured in television adverts, instead of “white families”.
The representative for Runcorn went on to state that the average white person ‘does not feature’ in TV ads, before going on to blame the ‘wokerati’ for the perceived shift in demographics. However, the ramblings have left her in hot water.
Her apology was -
"My comments on a Talk TV phone-in earlier today were phrased poorly and I unreservedly apologise for any offence caused, which was not my intention. Representation in advertising should reflect the diversity of modern Britain.“

Source with video-
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/who-is-sarah-pochin-what-said-tv-adverts-reform-399579/

The term 'racist' is flung around so much now it's beginning to lose any power or meaning. We've all noticed more and more mixed race or black actors in adverts. Personally, I'm not that arsed if they're sky blue pink.
However, it does get my back up when major white historical figures are portrayed by black actors as with the debacle of the Anne Boleyn remake. The thing tanked. it's not only idiotic it's fucking insulting to our culture.

Digs. So many people found her remarks racist she had to apologise. But the important point (that gives me much hope!) Is many were potential Reform voters who objected. Was her apology sincere? No. But Plaid Cymru had beaten Reform in the by election and they was attempting to divert attention from being defeated. It is racist to say you don't like seeing black people on television..

I do agree with your last point however. That's just daft as such casting prevents dramas being an accurate representation and portrayal of real historical events. I agree it's also insulting to our culture.

But anybody who gets actually angered seeing "too many black people on television " as she admitted to So being needs help. Some people are considering Reform because they literally can't think of any other party..But this was a step too far. People of colour are fed up with the small boats refugees too Reform.are alienating potential voters this way. She won't last long if she continues to displease actual Reform voters.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
A few years ago, practically every Xmas ad from the big companies featured a black mum or dad married to a white mum or dad, with a mixed race kid.

I'm not sure what the percentage of mixed race families are in the UK, but anyone watching the ads might think it was 100%.
Regarding BIB, you actually noted that? Why does it matter the skin colour of people in.adverts in.any event?
Well, it clearly matters to some people. It's all engineered by the leftie wokerati though many major retailers have learned the hard way that marketing is very very important to your brand and losing sight of who your customer base is, is extremely detrimental.
In a mostly white country, it's not wise to undervalue your main customers.
So, the question is, would you go over to say, Japan or Africa and tell them they need to utilise more white people in their ads and media? I bet you wouldn't.

That's because it's an inaccurate parallel. Japan and Africa have predominantly Japanese and African people there who happen to look Japanese and black.
Here, being British means you are white or black.
So being right wing and more specifically, being a potential supporter of Reform, IS more than just caring about immigration? The colour of British people born and bred clearly matters too.
When Avon posted a video of people depicting white people expressing the exact same sentiment posters here said it wasn't about colour and doubted the video source yet right wing folk here don't think it's racist for a white MP to say she gets angry at seeing black people on television?
Why can't black British people be represented 1% more than white British people in adverts? What's wrong with that? It's only a percentage more!
The percentage of black people in the uk is 4 percent. So why shouldn't white people have the majority of representation? That certainly applies in Japan.
For white people born in Japan, being legally considered Japanese depends on the nationality of the parents, not their place of birth or their race.Japan follows jus sanguinis ("right of blood"), a legal principle where citizenship is determined by the nationality of one's parents, rather than jus soli ("right of soil"), which grants automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country.
So are the Japanese racist?

I have learnt a lot about Japan and their country is falling apart because they stick to traditions that go back to Samurai times and refuse to accept new modern traditions.which leads to hundreds of thousands of men leaving to dwell in slums..Women are supposed to.be married with children by age 25 or they are seen as past their sell by date We consider ourselves to be modern in the West so again it's not a correct parallel. Just imo. We pride ourselves on having moved on from these old fashioned prejudices.

I wanted to know if people think this lady was racist. Many Reform voters did which I think shocked Reform and she had to issue an apology.

If you have given an answer I apologise but if you think she was racist in 2025 stating she gets angry at seeing black people in adverts I would just be curious to know.

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:

I have learnt a lot about Japan and their country is falling apart because they stick to traditions that go back to Samurai times and refuse to accept new modern traditions.which leads to hundreds of thousands of men leaving to dwell in slums..Women are supposed to.be married with children by age 25 or they are seen as past their sell by date We consider ourselves to be modern in the West so again it's not a correct parallel. Just imo. We pride ourselves on having moved on from these old fashioned prejudices.
I wanted to know if people think this lady was racist. Many Reform voters did which I think shocked Reform and she had to issue an apology.
If you have given an answer I apologise but if you think she was racist in 2025 stating she gets angry at seeing black people in adverts I would just be curious to know.

The definition of racist is characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group She's done none of that. She's merely voiced an opinion of a fact. That's not racist. Like I said the term is bandied about like peanuts at a party. It no longer has any power and it's getting boring.

Digger · Admin

Fluffy wrote:

I have learnt a lot about Japan and their country is falling apart because they stick to traditions that go back to Samurai times and refuse to accept new modern traditions.which leads to hundreds of thousands of men leaving to dwell in slums..Women are supposed to.be married with children by age 25 or they are seen as past their sell by date We consider ourselves to be modern in the West so again it's not a correct parallel. Just imo. We pride ourselves on having moved on from these old fashioned prejudices.
I wanted to know if people think this lady was racist. Many Reform voters did which I think shocked Reform and she had to issue an apology.
If you have given an answer I apologise but if you think she was racist in 2025 stating she gets angry at seeing black people in adverts I would just be curious to know.

As for Japan. A significant number of Japanese men, more so than women, are choosing to remain unmarried. For example, 24% of Japanese men haven't married by age 50 compared to 14% of women, according to the National Institute of Population and Social Security Research.

The below article is written by someone who lives and works in Japan.

The National Institute of Population and Social Security Research recently claimed that 24% of Japanese men hadn’t married by the age of 50, compared to 14% of women. The 2015 National Fertility Survey (of unmarried men and women aged 18 to 34) shows that 60% of men – and 50% of women – stated they “do not want to get married yet.” 48% of men answered “I do not think I will be lonely even if I continue living alone”.

“It is estimated that in 2035, one in three men will be unmarried for life,” he says. “The percentage of people unmarried for life (people still unmarried at 50, considered by the Japanese government as having a 0% chance of marriage in the future) began rising rapidly in the 1990s. Up until the 1980s, almost everyone in Japan got married.”These men even have a name: Herbivore Men or Grass-eater Men, a mocking tag insinuating that this group have a somewhat diminished masculinity (it’s pretty harsh on vegans, too). And yet the Herbivores are thriving, many playing the field rather than chewing it. So, what caused this dramatic shift

“The late 1980s and into the 1990s was when the Japanese economic bubble burst,” says Mr Arakawa. “In the 30 years since then, the average income of white-collar workers has actually continued to decline. Economic concern about the future is one reason that young men have been avoiding the responsibility that marriage entails.The main reason they have for staying single is wanting to use their money on themselves. There is a common perception that for men, marriage means having their freedom to use money restricted. This is in direct opposition to women listing ‘financial security’ as one of the benefits of getting married.”

Sat next to me on a bar stool in a poncey craft beer bar in Shibuya, Tokyo, is 36-year-old Riku Inamoto. He is what used to be called a confirmed bachelor. For him, time is a big factor.“I have two things in my life that take up all my time: my work and my hobbies,” he says. “I can’t stop work, so if I get married, I will lose my hobbies, which means I will have no fun. That would be a terrible life.“I like having my own time and space, being able to make my own decisions, eat what I want, go where I want. I have married friends who look so old now. They don’t seem happy. Why would I want that? I have a good life.”

“From an individual perspective, although marriage was something with physical and mental health benefits, Japanese people don’t have a particularly negative view of living alone. Those afraid of living alone are divorced men. They tend to be extremely reliant on their wives and the suicide rate is highest among them. They also account for a high number of kodokushi (dying alone without being noticed). Increasingly, people who never married don’t have a negative view of living alone.”

https://www.flashpack.com/solo/travel/why-japanese-men-choosing-single-life-japan/

Magica · Go Outside

In answer to this thread, no Reform is not racist. I'm sick of that word banded about by people who don't really know what racist means.

What that MP said I agreed. I too have notice all black, asian,.mixed race etc families in ads, where's the white faces.

This country in the 60s, 70s even 80s was predominantly white. This country for centuries was predominantly white, that's how.it was.in England, and UK. Same as Africa is predominantly black, India is predominantly asian, and so on. Are they all.racist too?

Until Blair got in and decided to introduce multiculturalism here, which never worked, Muslims, don't mix with whites or blacks.

Blacks came they integrated I had black friends growing up, still do. Indians came they integrated, muslims dont. They want to take over.

People have had enough of the invaders, bloody lefties, and Starmer. I can see a riot or civil war coming if the illegals are not controlled or deported!

-- Edited by Magica on Wednesday 29th of October 2025 10:43:10 PM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Fluffy, you may want to rethink the first line of your first post.

And I don't think the replies are either negative or particularly right wing either.

I did watch the MP answering the question, whether she is racist or simply speaking as she finds, I don't know.

But she did remind me a bit of the horrendous Katie Hopkins, which isn't a good thing.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
A few years ago, practically every Xmas ad from the big companies featured a black mum or dad married to a white mum or dad, with a mixed race kid.

I'm not sure what the percentage of mixed race families are in the UK, but anyone watching the ads might think it was 100%.
Regarding BIB, you actually noted that? Why does it matter the skin colour of people in.adverts in.any event?
Well, it clearly matters to some people. It's all engineered by the leftie wokerati though many major retailers have learned the hard way that marketing is very very important to your brand and losing sight of who your customer base is, is extremely detrimental.
In a mostly white country, it's not wise to undervalue your main customers.
So, the question is, would you go over to say, Japan or Africa and tell them they need to utilise more white people in their ads and media? I bet you wouldn't.

That's because it's an inaccurate parallel. Japan and Africa have predominantly Japanese and African people there who happen to look Japanese and black.
Here, being British means you are white or black.
So being right wing and more specifically, being a potential supporter of Reform, IS more than just caring about immigration? The colour of British people born and bred clearly matters too.
When Avon posted a video of people depicting white people expressing the exact same sentiment posters here said it wasn't about colour and doubted the video source yet right wing folk here don't think it's racist for a white MP to say she gets angry at seeing black people on television?
Why can't black British people be represented 1% more than white British people in adverts? What's wrong with that? It's only a percentage more!
The percentage of black people in the uk is 4 percent. So why shouldn't white people have the majority of representation? That certainly applies in Japan.
For white people born in Japan, being legally considered Japanese depends on the nationality of the parents, not their place of birth or their race.Japan follows jus sanguinis ("right of blood"), a legal principle where citizenship is determined by the nationality of one's parents, rather than jus soli ("right of soil"), which grants automatic citizenship to anyone born in the country.
So are the Japanese racist?
I have learnt a lot about Japan and their country is falling apart because they stick to traditions that go back to Samurai times and refuse to accept new modern traditions.which leads to hundreds of thousands of men leaving to dwell in slums..Women are supposed to.be married with children by age 25 or they are seen as past their sell by date We consider ourselves to be modern in the West so again it's not a correct parallel. Just imo. We pride ourselves on having moved on from these old fashioned prejudices.
I wanted to know if people think this lady was racist. Many Reform voters did which I think shocked Reform and she had to issue an apology.
If you have given an answer I apologise but if you think she was racist in 2025 stating she gets angry at seeing black people in adverts I would just be curious to know.

Who actually said she was racist

People can apologize for saying something insensitive or poorly phrased without being racist.

Yiu use that word so much that it's meaningless when you say it..

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:

I have learnt a lot about Japan and their country is falling apart because they stick to traditions that go back to Samurai times and refuse to accept new modern traditions.which leads to hundreds of thousands of men leaving to dwell in slums..Women are supposed to.be married with children by age 25 or they are seen as past their sell by date We consider ourselves to be modern in the West so again it's not a correct parallel. Just imo. We pride ourselves on having moved on from these old fashioned prejudices.
I wanted to know if people think this lady was racist. Many Reform voters did which I think shocked Reform and she had to issue an apology.
If you have given an answer I apologise but if you think she was racist in 2025 stating she gets angry at seeing black people in adverts I would just be curious to know.

The definition of racist is characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group She's done none of that. She's merely voiced an opinion of a fact. That's not racist. Like I said the term is bandied about like peanuts at a party. It no longer has any power and it's getting boring.

By that definition what the MP said WAS racist as she certainly did show antagonism towards POC as a group. She didn't just state that the amount of people of colour in adverts don't reflect the actual amount. She said it made her "mad" or angered her to see black people. You can't say you are angry at the sight of POC in any capacity without it being racist. If people said they were saddened by the sight of white people that too would be a racist statement but white people wouldn't care because that isn't a consistent view and white people (especially white rich men,) are still in charge of sociery.

Change the word "black" to 'disabled "and this ghastly woman then said she WAS angered seeing too many disabled people in adverts. Listen to how that sounds. She would have been out of a job.

The word racism and indeed being accused of being racist ,has certainly lost its power ,but not because it's overused, but because the Murdoch media has ensured racist rhetoric has been normalised. We are now used to hearing xenophobic rhetoric so are desensitized to it which is actually very dangerous in its wider implications.

Only white people have the luxury of being bored by the now commonplace casual racism adopted slowly but surely by the media. I despair of this country and what we are becoming.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 30th of October 2025 09:58:48 AM

Date: Oct 30 9:16 AM, 2025

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:

I have learnt a lot about Japan and their country is falling apart because they stick to traditions that go back to Samurai times and refuse to accept new modern traditions.which leads to hundreds of thousands of men leaving to dwell in slums..Women are supposed to.be married with children by age 25 or they are seen as past their sell by date We consider ourselves to be modern in the West so again it's not a correct parallel. Just imo. We pride ourselves on having moved on from these old fashioned prejudices.
I wanted to know if people think this lady was racist. Many Reform voters did which I think shocked Reform and she had to issue an apology.
If you have given an answer I apologise but if you think she was racist in 2025 stating she gets angry at seeing black people in adverts I would just be curious to know.

The definition of racist is characterized by or showing prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group She's done none of that. She's merely voiced an opinion of a fact. That's not racist. Like I said the term is bandied about like peanuts at a party. It no longer has any power and it's getting boring.
By that definition what the MP said WAS racist as she certainly did show antagonism towards POC as a group. She didn't just state that the amount of people of colour in adverts don't reflect the actual amount. She said it made her "ma's or angered her to see black people.
Change the word "black" to 'disabled "and this ghastly woman said she WAS angered seeing too many disabled people in adverts. She would have been out of a job.
The word racism and indeed being accused of being racist ,has certainly lost its power ,but not because it's overused, but because the Murdoch media has ensured racist rhetoric has been normalised. Only white people have the luxury of being bored by the now commonplace xenophobic opinions voiced in the media. I despair of this country and what we are becoming.

You sure about that? “Black fatigue” is not being muttered by whites only.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Syl wrote:
Fluffy, you may want to rethink the first line of your first post.
And I don't think the replies are either negative or particularly right wing either.
I did watch the MP answering the question, whether she is racist or simply speaking as she finds, I don't know.
But she did remind me a bit of the horrendous Katie Hopkins, which isn't a good thing.

She really is ghastly isn't she. I can't stand her.

I have to sadly disagree with your second statement Syl which I shall explain. As I said to Digs if she had said she was angry at seeing too many disabled people on television she would likely have had to resign..saying you are angered or maddened by seeing "too many black people'" on.any context is to my mind, an obvious racist statement. Why does the sight of black people make her angry?? The thing about how it doesn't represent society doesn't work either as there is still an awful lot of white people in advertising . She would never have been permitted to say such a thing a decade ago. But the immigration crisis has allowed xenophobic rhetoric in the media to become commonplace so people are used to hearing casual racism most days of the week.It has been normalised.

She made potential and actual Reform voters who only have legitimate concerns about immigration angry hence why she had to apologise. Those voters don't have any issue with seeing black people on television! Reform have exposed they are a racist party as they have made the transition of wanting to stop illegal immigrants entering the country which is a legitimate concern to bizarrely..being maddened at the sight of people of colour . It's not that the accusation of people being racist is overused, quite the opposite. People used to fear being called a racist.Now people fear calling out racists..Casual bigotry has been accepted in the media for a good few years hence why many are desensitized to it and don't recognise a basic racist statement when they hear it. Objecting to seeing "too many 'people of colour" an.obvious racist sentiment to my mind.

I am so relieved enough people saw that and complained about her comments. And it gives me hope that some were potential and actual Reform voters , which also proved my prior theory wrong that most Reform voters are likely to be prejudiced . They are not, they have no problem with seeing black people on television hence why they objected to her prejudice. But people here don't see the problem with what she said so that makes them more right wing than most of society.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
I think it's silly to consider different views on race as racism.

Wondering why some races are over represented in adverts isn't racism, it's asking why does race seem to be so important in adverts.
Why are you looking at people and seeing the colour of their skin instead of just people would be the.more pertinent question imo.
Maybe if it was totally out of hand and in most adverts POC were featured say 75% you would have a point. But that's not the case so you don't.
If you look at dramas and films on television the majority of the cast are white with a few token people of colour. And it has improved, it used to be much worse only about 15 years ago .
Have we had a black James Bond yet? Think of all the movie icons Sean Connery,Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Clint Eastwood, Brad Pitt even.The younger generation it's Zac Efron, Henry Cavill, ..there are NO people of colour as leading men except Morgan Freeman
What's wrong with evening up the score up a little?
Why did you start this thread?

Are you in the habit of asking people why they make threads.? You're an eccentric old timer for sure but at least you don't take things too seriously. I guess I could learn from that.

It's pretty simple Maddets. I know some here support Reform and a lot of potential Reform voters felt this MP went too far and complained about what they deemed to be racist rhetoric. I wanted to see if posters here agreed.