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Syl wrote:

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People, including MP's should be allowed to say what they feel. The more outspoken they are the more they will come under fire, and some comments can boost or ruin a career overnight.

What this woman said is thought to be extremely racist by some, so Fluffy, you are certainly not alone in your view.
Others will say they think she (judging by that one interview) is a racist, just to pander to the woke fashion that seems to be sweeping the country now.
Others will think it's her opinion, she is entitled to say it, and factually she is right anyway re the numbers of black people in ads.

She was answering a callers question on the programme....whether it was a set up or not, who knows, it probably boosted the programme's ratings.

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 Exactly. She wasn’t debating in the House of Commons, she wasn’t speaking on behalf of her party or “serving her constituents”.

“Much ado about nothing“ imo.

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 Completely agree. All fake rage from lefties again!

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Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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I think it's silly to consider different views on race as racism.

Wondering why some races are over represented in adverts isn't racism, it's asking why does race seem to be so important in adverts.

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 Why are you looking at  people and seeing the colour of their skin instead of just people would be the.more pertinent question imo.

Maybe if it was totally out of hand and in most adverts POC were featured say 75% you would have a point. But that's not the case so you don't.

If you look at dramas and films on television the majority of the cast are white with a few token people of colour. And it has improved, it used to be much worse only about 15 years ago .

Have we had a black James Bond yet? Think of all the movie icons Sean Connery,Harrison Ford, Johnny Depp, Clint Eastwood, Brad Pitt even.The younger generation it's Zac Efron, Henry Cavill, ..there are NO people of colour  as leading men except Morgan Freeman

What's wrong with evening up the score up a little?

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 Why did you start this thread?

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 Are you in the habit of asking people why they make threads.? You're an eccentric old timer for sure  but at least you don't take things too seriously. I guess I could learn from that.

It's pretty simple Maddets. I know some  here support Reform and  a lot of potential Reform voters felt this MP went too far and complained about what they deemed to be racist rhetoric. I wanted to see if posters here agreed.

 

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 She was asked to clarify, and she did. 

 

Millions of people in the UK will loathe her no matter what she says and will label her a racist for her party affiliation..

 

Don't be like those people..

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 There is a huge economic crisis in this country and this MP feels she is serving her constituents by spending her time counting the people of colour in adverts and then expressing that it 'makes her mad to see too many black people on television"  She was also very ..passionate for want of a better word when exposing her outrage.

It was the opinion of many people across the political spectrum that these comments were racist. On social media some Tory and Reform voters even labelled her comments racist.  I happen to agree with them and it has made me realise I was formerly stereotyping Reform voters. They are certainly not all racist as people did inform  me here.The majority of Reform voters just want the immigration crisis finally sorted.

Everyone in the Whine is entitled to their own opinion on the matter.Yet you seem to be implying  I'm isolated in my thinking that her comments were racist when it was the general consensus nationally that they were. 

What does she want to achieve by complaining about seeing too many black people, is the question I ask myself..So she wants people of colour to be less visible in advertising..why?? I would understand her point of view more if white people were under represented but they are everywhere in UK advertising. No body could claim otherwise. Nigel Farage said her comments were "ugly ' but not racist.  Posters in the Whine apparently don't think there was anything wrong with her comments at all.

That's fine as we are all entitled to our views. But I am not going to accept that my perception is incorrect and  opinion is automatically wrong when a significant amount of people outside the Whine share it.

As for the BIB , what makes you think that?? The opposite is true. Reform are most likely to be next party in Government, this is borne out by statistics. The majority of people agree with what Reform MP's say, it's the Government they don't agree with! (neither do I at this point, it's just scandal after scandal. Labour really  are woefully inept.)

Her comments were attempting to cause division, there were no possible honourable motives behind them. Apparently less than 10% of people in the UK are POC. This surprised me. If she wants advertising to represent people accurately  people of colour would be rendered invisible..surely she doesn't want that.  Her claim that white families are no longer seen in advertising is patently false. White families appear in adverts literally all the time. We are not under represented. 

Yes, there are far more explicit examples of racism than hers but her views are not trivial because she holds a great deal of influence. She  stated  it "made her mad"  to see "too many black people " and  in the opinion of voters across the political spectrum, that was a racist statement.

It does not need to be explored any deeply (although you can if you wish) as I agree with Digs it really is rather trivial when compared with the atrocities going on in the world.

-- Edited by Fluffy on Friday 31st of October 2025 11:37:42 AM

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 Millions are still a minority in a country of 65 million..

 

Do you think saying something stupid should get someone labeled stupid?

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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People, including MP's should be allowed to say what they feel. The more outspoken they are the more they will come under fire, and some comments can boost or ruin a career overnight.

What this woman said is thought to be extremely racist by some, so Fluffy, you are certainly not alone in your view.
Others will say they think she (judging by that one interview) is a racist, just to pander to the woke fashion that seems to be sweeping the country now.
Others will think it's her opinion, she is entitled to say it, and factually she is right anyway re the numbers of black people in ads.

She was answering a callers question on the programme....whether it was a set up or not, who knows, it probably boosted the programme's ratings.

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 So a constituent had a question and she answered..

 

 

I guess she could have said "no comment"..

 

Although I don't think people in government should say that to the people they serve.

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 If she had disagreed with the caller then no doubt she would have angered the “other side”. Damned if she did, damned if she didn’t.

”no comment” - the “ I demand an answer, I pay your wages” brigade would have then slurped in.

Some folks need to get a grip and educate themselves as to what real racism looks like.

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 I agree.

She wasn't saying anything derogatory about black people, she was pointing out that the way the media use black people in ads is not representative of the country.

Rather than shout racist...why not open up the debate about it?

I have watched the vid a couple of times, it was the way she said it, rather than what she said...though she could have chosen her words more carefully.
For me, the fact that she reminded me of the odious Katie Hopkins did her no favours either.

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I have watched the vid a couple of times, it was the way she said it, rather than what she said...though she could have chosen her words more carefully.
For me, the fact that she reminded me of the odious Katie Hopkins did her no favours either.

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 A while ago I would have agreed with that description, a time when I avoided anything to do with her - iirc she came out with a dreadful comment about a dead immigrant child.

I’m not a fan as such, however, maybe it’s a combination of my getting older and less patient with the BS lies from politicians that I’m finding her and Tommy Robinson’s bluntness (particularly when it comes to the illegals) palatable. I haven’t read many of either’s tweets but what I have read I find myself nodding in agreement, not all but a good few.

I don’t kid myself, they seem to enjoy the fame and financial gains but give me both over the likes of Rayner/Reeves/Starmer and their ilk.

What I DO find I interesting is even Reform Leader Farage denounced her comments as "ugly" yet everyone in the Whine is united that there was absolutely nothing wrong with them. Reform and Tory voters on social. media also condemned her comments as racist, Hence why Farage said anything. If it was just "lefties" complaining he wouldn't have bothered. 

Nigel Farage has said Reform MP Sarah Pochin did not intend to be racist when she complained about adverts being "full" of black and Asian people.

Asked during a press conference on grooming gangs if he accepted Pochin's comments were racist, Farage said: "I am unhappy with what she has done...

"I understand the basic point but the way she put it, the way she worded it, was wrong and was ugly"

 

So posters here are apparently more right wing than Nigel Farage..

I agree with Syl that it would be interesting to debate, rather than just labelling her racist. But if someone can't grasp why it may be considered offensive for someone to object to seeing  people due to the colour of their skin in the first place  I wouldn't know where to start. It is a trivial subject certainly but also blatantly racist in my opinion and in the majority opinion, NOT just lefties.

We see plenty of white families and people on television, we know that. There is no way we are under represented. So what would be the solution to her mind, have yet more white people for the sake of it? Force black people out of advertising so they are less visible in the media? What good would this do, who would it benefit? 🤷Why would anyone be "mad" at "too many" people of colour on television unless  they had a problem with race?

 

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78z4eyvnx1o

 

 

 

 

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What I DO find I interesting is even Reform Leader Farage denounced her comments as "ugly" yet everyone in the Whine is united that there was absolutely nothing wrong with them. Reform and Tory voters on social. media also condemned her comments as racist, Hence why Farage said anything. If it was just "lefties" complaining he wouldn't have bothered. 

Nigel Farage has said Reform MP Sarah Pochin did not intend to be racist when she complained about adverts being "full" of black and Asian people.

Asked during a press conference on grooming gangs if he accepted Pochin's comments were racist, Farage said: "I am unhappy with what she has done...

"I understand the basic point but the way she put it, the way she worded it, was wrong and was ugly"

 

So posters here are apparently more right wing than Nigel Farage..

I agree with Syl that it would be interesting to debate, rather than just labelling her racist. But if someone can't grasp why it may be considered offensive for someone to object to seeing  people due to the colour of their skin in the first place  I wouldn't know where to start. It is a trivial subject certainly but also blatantly racist in my opinion and in the majority opinion, NOT just lefties.

We see plenty of white families and people on television, we know that. There is no way we are under represented. So what would be the solution to her mind, have yet more white people for the sake of it? Force black people out of advertising so they are less visible in the media? What good would this do, who would it benefit? 🤷Why would anyone be "mad" at "too many" people of colour on television unless  they had a problem with race?

 

 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78z4eyvnx1o

 

 

 

 

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 Ugly is different than racist.

 

Have you ever made a comment that was poorly phrased or developed?

Fluffy wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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People, including MP's should be allowed to say what they feel. The more outspoken they are the more they will come under fire, and some comments can boost or ruin a career overnight.

What this woman said is thought to be extremely racist by some, so Fluffy, you are certainly not alone in your view.
Others will say they think she (judging by that one interview) is a racist, just to pander to the woke fashion that seems to be sweeping the country now.
Others will think it's her opinion, she is entitled to say it, and factually she is right anyway re the numbers of black people in ads.

She was answering a callers question on the programme....whether it was a set up or not, who knows, it probably boosted the programme's ratings.

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 So a constituent had a question and she answered..

 

 

I guess she could have said "no comment"..

 

Although I don't think people in government should say that to the people they serve.

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 If she had disagreed with the caller then no doubt she would have angered the “other side”. Damned if she did, damned if she didn’t.

”no comment” - the “ I demand an answer, I pay your wages” brigade would have then slurped in.

Some folks need to get a grip and educate themselves as to what real racism looks like.

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 I agree it is a trivial.example. But what is absolutely NOT trivial in any way is that she is normalizing a bigoted outlook and making it mainstream. It would never have been socially acceptable to say it makes you mad to see  too many people of colour a decade ago. But the goalposts are being moved slowly but ever surely  by the right wing media so that it's now considered appropriate to complain about seeing "too many black people".

Lest we forget, because I feel we have, black people simply have more melanin in their skin and retain more vitamin D. They are just the same as white people except their skin colour is different. 

We have a history where people of colour used to have to drink from seperate water fountains and sit at the back of the bus just because their skin was darker. They were seen as not just inferior but..dangerous somehow.

It is because of these abhorrent historical events, that were commonplace and considered normal, that we can't let racism however casual or seemingly trivial become  normal everyday discourse..Sadly I feel it's too late for that.

Leaving the EU has led to illegal immigrants coming to the UK in droves which Reform has taken great exception to despite the leader of Reform knowing illegal immigration would rise. That has opened the door  for an outpouring of bitterness and resentment  by people who.are not racist but frustrated, who feel they are losing their culture.

So the right wing billionaires that run the media gaslight the viewer  and drip feed the narrative that it's the fault of immigrants fleeing from genocide that their cost of living has increased , that its the fault of immigrant mothers fleeing from persecution   sleeping  in a basic  hotel that people can't get a doctor's appointment. There are more billionaires now than ever before. The powers that be are not being fair with taxes and  wealth distribution. If the NHS was funded properly there would be appointments for everyone But it is not considered a priority for the billionaires behind the scenes getting tax breaks . So immigrants are a handy ,convincing scapegoat.

So that's immigrants demonized and seen as less than human. Now Reform want to test the waters with people of colour. I believe the Reform MP wanted to see how far she could go, push that envelope a bit further. She went too far in the minds of centrist voters and some right wing voters which is heartening. But the fact remains that Reform are not thinking of the NHS, the economy, jobs, climate change or anything that actually affects the electorate...they are very much concerned with trying to isolate or dehumanise people of colour. Why would Sarah Pochin say she objects to the sight of too many people of colour in the media. She is hoping that white people will say, despite evidence to the contrary "She's right. We are not represented properly. " which will encourage more ill feeling  and bitterness against people of colour.who have said nothing wrong, done nothing wrong. She has planted the seed in the minds of potential bigots who will now not just harbour resentment for genuine immigrants but British people with darker skin.

It's the mentality of Reform that bothers me. They are drip feeding their xenophobia, starting small but normalizing and making it totally acceptable to judge events or people on skin colour alone, something that is meant to be illegal. Because disliking  the sight of people by their skin colour alone  is racism and that is how she patently feels.. It's the wider implications of someone who thinks like this that disturbs many. Her prejudice may seem petty now but this is just the start. If you were a person of colour would you want her in government?

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 You act like the witch hunts of ten years ago were some golden age of enlightenment. 

If people are more free to say things (which they aren't in the UK anyway), that's actually a good thing..

Syl wrote:

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People, including MP's should be allowed to say what they feel. The more outspoken they are the more they will come under fire, and some comments can boost or ruin a career overnight.

What this woman said is thought to be extremely racist by some, so Fluffy, you are certainly not alone in your view.
Others will say they think she (judging by that one interview) is a racist, just to pander to the woke fashion that seems to be sweeping the country now.
Others will think it's her opinion, she is entitled to say it, and factually she is right anyway re the numbers of black people in ads.

She was answering a callers question on the programme....whether it was a set up or not, who knows, it probably boosted the programme's ratings.

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 I have to admit this illusion of a "woke brigade sweeping the country" intrigues me and it's not just you that has stated this Syl by any means.

The woke movement in itself has been totally drowned out by those with right wing views who go on marches saying "Get rid of Immigrants" , set fire to hotels because they house immigrants and openly object to having a Muslim London mayor. It is Reform, an extreme right wing party that are the most popular with the British electorates and it is Reform's ideals that are echoed and made legitimate in the media. It is Reform right wing concerns, the obsession with the small boats for example that dominated every news channel for literally months.It is EXTREME RiGHT WING politics officially sweeping Britain and of course America. 

All you hear about is  illegal immigration, it has got better recently but for months it dominated. So what left wing voices are making themselves heard?Mine  here. Well that's not going to achieve much is it,

The right have the megaphone and have no intention of stopping their divisive rhetoric anytime soon.

Btw,I don't know what the put down "woke" is meant to mean but to me it just means common sense. If I am.considered "woke" for seeing people as equal.and wanting the homeless to be housed and the poor to be less poor then I guess I'm woke.I think billionaires who rule the airwaves could pay a little more tax. If these are extreme leftie views then so be it.🤷