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Digger · Admin

RE: Knife attacks on train

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
I just want to point out that around 40% of Muslims in the UK were actually born in the UK. But it’s to be hoped that the police know what they’re doing in so quickly ruling it out as a terrorist attack. I do get why they’re doing that, but it does seem a little premature imo.
Even though one of the suspects is of ‘Caribbean descent’, who’s to say he may not have been radicalised ? 🤷🏻‍♀️ Radicalised lunatics come from all ethnicities and religious denominations. And who’s to say the ‘black’ suspect hasn’t converted and espoused extreme Islamist tendencies?
Or maybe they were simply a pair of hopped-up smackheads, just out on a mindless rampage. Time will tell, I guess…
Unfortunately some second generation Muslims don't seem to like the laws of this land.
Many of the younger grooming gang members were bred and born here.
They learn hate from the Mosques. Keep seeing they want to take over England. Let them try.

Those are extremists Mags! The Muslim religion is complex. I don't agree with its blatant repression of women for example.

But there are plenty of law abiding ordinary British born families who do integrate, their children go to mixed schools and they just want to get on with their lives. They don't deserve to be constantly tarnished by the views of extremists. The last thing they want is to "take over" Britain.

I don't understand why it's assumed the perpetrator must be Muslim...! Plenty of Christians have terrible crimes and if it comes down to that, ditto atheists.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Manchester on a Friday night....

We have parts of Dallas and Fort Worth that look like that. If you notice, most of the folks walking from bar to bar aren't really the problem unless they are overserved. It's the people that go there without money to drink in the bar, or are too young to get into the bars (that's more common here with a 21 year old drinking age). These guys stand around and cause trouble. Because of our driving culture we also have men or boys that just cruise the area somehow thinking women are going to be interested in meeting guys like that..

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Maddog wrote:

Terrorism doesn't require some sort of an affiliation. It's about motive. If it's political or religious in it's motive, then it's usually called terrorism.

Jack the Ripper terrorized London, but he wouldn't fit the definition of terrorist..

If the public were terrorised, as they clearly were here, then it doesn't make any difference if the authorities say it was an official terrorist attack or not - it is an act of terror regardless. I don't know why so much importance is put on that.It's like everyone is holding their breathe to see if it was a terrorist attack or not. Either way, it doesn't change the harm that was done or lessen any future threat by the same MO

Your Jack the Ripper example is a good example of somone who terrorises but isn't seen as a terrorist.

Maddog · Go Outside

Red Okktober wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Terrorism doesn't require some sort of an affiliation. It's about motive. If it's political or religious in it's motive, then it's usually called terrorism.

Jack the Ripper terrorized London, but he wouldn't fit the definition of terrorist..
If the public were terrorised, as they clearly were here, then it doesn't make any difference if the authorities say it was an official terrorist attack or not - it is an act of terror regardless. I don't know why so much importance is put on that.It's like everyone is holding their breathe to see if it was a terrorist attack or not. Either way, it doesn't change the harm that was done or lessen any future threat by the same MO
Your Jack the Ripper example is a good example of somone who terrorises but isn't seen as a terrorist.

I think people want to know motive because that speaks to reason or rational behind the madness..

That's why we differentiate between terrorism, serial killers and mass murder.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Manchester on a Friday night....

To be fair it was Halloween but point taken

It shows white young people when drunk and disorderly are not a pretty sight. They can't handle their drink.

Going out and getting drunk seems to be what we do in this country. No wonder we make fools of ourselves abroad.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Manchester on a Friday night....
To be fair it was Halloween but point taken
It shows white young people when drunk and disorderly are not a pretty sight. They can't handle their drink.
Going out and getting drunk seems to be what we do in this country. No wonder we make fools of ourselves abroad.

There are a mix of white, Asian and black getting involved in all kinds of trouble.

It reminds me of why I give town a miss at nightime now.

Date: Nov 3 12:53 AM, 2025

Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Manchester on a Friday night....
To be fair it was Halloween but point taken
It shows white young people when drunk and disorderly are not a pretty sight. They can't handle their drink.
Going out and getting drunk seems to be what we do in this country. No wonder we make fools of ourselves abroad.

No drunk PoC then?

Vam · Go Outside.

Less than 20 seconds. That’s about all I could watch of that. It’s just too depressing…

Date: Nov 3 8:11 AM, 2025

Can we expect Starmer or Khan to visit/contact those affected in all this, especially the loved ones of the man in a life-threatening condition? (silly thought I know).

About time him and Khan put their money where their mouths are.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Vam wrote:
Less than 20 seconds. That’s about all I could watch of that. It’s just too depressing…

How do you think I feel?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

BBC News

Updated 44 minutes ago

"Man in court after being charged with attempted murder over train stabbing and separate attack."

"A man has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder after a knife attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday evening

Anthony Williams, 32 and from Peterborough, is also charged with one count of possession of a bladed article and one count of actual bodily harm

Separately, he is charged with an additional count of attempted murder in connection with an incident at a London DLR station in the early hours of Saturday

Earlier, Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said a train worker who helped stop the attack is "critical but stable"

"He put himself in harm's way and there are people who are alive today who wouldn't be alive had it not been for his actions."

Date: Nov 3 12:32 PM, 2025

Syl wrote:
BBC News

Updated 44 minutes ago

"Man in court after being charged with attempted murder over train stabbing and separate attack."

"A man has been charged with 10 counts of attempted murder after a knife attack on a train in Cambridgeshire on Saturday evening

Anthony Williams, 32 and from Peterborough, is also charged with one count of possession of a bladed article and one count of actual bodily harm

Separately, he is charged with an additional count of attempted murder in connection with an incident at a London DLR station in the early hours of Saturday

Earlier, Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander said a train worker who helped stop the attack is "critical but stable"

"He put himself in harm's way and there are people who are alive today who wouldn't be alive had it not been for his actions."

“ He has been charged with an additional count of attempted murder in relation to a separate incident on London's DLR network in early hours of Saturday.”

Jesus wept.

Reading some of witness accounts, it must have been bloody frightening particularly after the murder of Iryna Zarutka.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Some videos of him on social media, show him entering a barbers shop the day before, brandishing a large knife. So why, how ,was he allowed to be free?
Other reports say he was a well known schizophrenic around where he lives.

Date: Nov 3 1:11 PM, 2025

Syl wrote:
Some videos of him on social media, show him entering a barbers shop the day before, brandishing a large knife. So why, how ,was he allowed to be free?
Other reports say he was a well known schizophrenic around where he lives.

How are people supposed to feel and stay safe when the seriously mentally ill are on the streets. Don’t get me wrong I feel sad he suffers from schizophrenia but my sympathy can only stretch so far.

And yeah, why was he allowed to be free after the first incident.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Some videos of him on social media, show him entering a barbers shop the day before, brandishing a large knife. So why, how ,was he allowed to be free?
Other reports say he was a well known schizophrenic around where he lives.

There's more out than in, was the old saying.

Since they shut mental hospitals, put them on the streets, who is there.to make sure they take their meds.... No one!

Vam · Go Outside.

Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
Less than 20 seconds. That’s about all I could watch of that. It’s just too depressing…
How do you think I feel?

It does sadden me to see kids who seem to aspire to so little in life.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

It's difficult o get children assessed properly, I know someone who has a mentally handicapped son, and she has always struggled and had to fight tooth and nail to get proper outside care for him. He is adult now, but doesn't go out alone, and he has never been violent.

But what of children who do have violent tendencies? They grow into big, strong adults, some can be treated with medication, but like Mags has said, who ensures they take it?

Date: Nov 3 2:46 PM, 2025

“ Cambridgeshire Police release details of possible linked incidents “published at 14:21

”Cambridgeshire Police are reviewing three further incidents in Peterborough on Friday 31 October and the morning of Saturday 1 November to establish whether there is a connection between them and the Huntingdon train attack on Saturday evening.

Friday evening: A man seen with a knife at a barbers in Fletton, Peterborough

Police say this happened at 19:25 GMT on Friday but was reported to them at 21:10 - two hours after the incident occurred
They add that at the time of the report the man was no longer there so they did not send officers, but a "crime was raised"

Saturday morning: A second incident reported by barbers

This was reported to police at 09:25 on Saturday, again by the barbers in Fletton, while the man was still at the scene. Officers were deployed to the location and arrived within 18 minutes
Following a search, officers were unable to locate the man or identify him and another "crime was raised"

Friday evening: A 14-year-old stabbed by a man with a knife

Police also believe a third incident in which a 14-year-old was stabbed by a man may be linked to the train attacks
They say this happened at 19:10 on Friday, the victim was taken to Peterborough City Hospital with minor injuries and later discharged
The offender had left the scene when the call was made and despite a search of the area by officers and a police dog, the offender was not identified. A "crime was raised" and an investigation commenced, with "scenes of crime attending"

In the statement, Cambridgeshire Police add: "We are currently reviewing all incidents in the timeframe to understand whether there were any further potential offences. British Transport Police retain primacy for the overall investigation, which will include these three incidents."We voluntarily referred ourselves to the IOPC for independent scrutiny of these incidents, as is standard practice in these cases." “

Source BBC

Maddog · Go Outside

Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Manchester on a Friday night....
We have parts of Dallas and Fort Worth that look like that. If you notice, most of the folks walking from bar to bar aren't really the problem unless they are overserved. It's the people that go there without money to drink in the bar, or are too young to get into the bars (that's more common here with a 21 year old drinking age). These guys stand around and cause trouble. Because of our driving culture we also have men or boys that just cruise the area somehow thinking women are going to be interested in meeting guys like that..

The Stockyards aren't nearly as crazy, but it's also a better mix of people. Not a huge crush of just young people.

No doubt there are drunken idiots but not as many.