Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Magica wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Have you ladies looked at the video Maddog posted?
He seems to agree with the woman who thinks there is no problem with sexual assault, and when a man sexually attacks a woman, IF she has gone willingly to his room, that isn't rape.

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 Makes me sick. How can she think that.  Maybe it should happen to her, then see what she thinks then!

 

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 She is walking proof that not all misogyny comes from men.

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 It's not misogyny to state women have agency.   

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 Which is taken from them when they are raped.

Women like Paglia are preaching the wrong message, as are you.

There is a huge difference between a woman having consensual sex then years later claiming rape, and a man forcing himself onto a woman, whether they have previously had sex or not.

Your comments like 'Hell has no fury', insinuating the women are lying, bitter because they willingly had sex and are pissed off because he treated them 'like shit' are misogynistic in the extreme.

Thank God the judge, thejury and the police were not so easily taken in.

Red Okktober wrote:

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Vam wrote:

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 Syl, I’ve never understood what the big deal has been with this douchebag either 🤷🏻‍♀️

As Dawg said, everything about him is ‘obnoxious’ - from the stupid grungy way he dresses, to the stupid pasty bare chest and the stupid shite he hangs around his neck. Don't even get me started on that straggly greasy hair and the stupid man bun! 🤢 The guy always looks like he could use a lonnnng shower!

Most obnoxious of all, for me at least, is the stupid performative accent and affectation in every word he utters, not to mention carrying a Bible around as a ‘statement fashion accessory’ 🙄

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 That's good description of him.

His single talent was to be controversial and shock, and to do it in a theatrical way. I suppose he brought in good viewing figures so was allowed to continue, so got away with a lot of things. Some woman find that 'bad boy' stuff attractive, although I always thought him a bit effeminate

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 He talked like a stupid child desperately trying to shock, and minced around like a gay boy....God knows how he managed relationships with some attractive women.

I feel sorry for his wife. She was 18 he was 31 when they met. She has three young children now, and if she believed he was innocent, her whole world will have come crashing down.

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Magica wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Have you ladies looked at the video Maddog posted?
He seems to agree with the woman who thinks there is no problem with sexual assault, and when a man sexually attacks a woman, IF she has gone willingly to his room, that isn't rape.

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 Makes me sick. How can she think that.  Maybe it should happen to her, then see what she thinks then!

 

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 She is walking proof that not all misogyny comes from men.

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 It's not misogyny to state women have agency.   

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 Which is taken from them when they are raped.

Women like Paglia are preaching the wrong message, as are you.

There is a huge difference between a woman having consensual sex then years later claiming rape, and a man forcing himself onto a woman, whether they have previously had sex or not.

Your comments like 'Hell has no fury', insinuating the women are lying, bitter because they willingly had sex and are pissed off because he treated them 'like shit' are misogynistic in the extreme.

Thank God the judge, thejury and the police were not so easily taken in.

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 Again, how do you prove rape? 

How do you determine consent? Especially 20 years later..

Are you saying women treated like shit won't lie about the man that treats them like shit? 

How in the hell do you prove that someone who gleefully and enthusiastically gave consent, withdrew that consent? 

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Some women will lie or not be believed, you have already pointed out yourself that he was not found guilty of all the accusations against him.

Like I said before, often in the case of rape, especially historic rape there can be no physical proof., most rapists don't invite an audience to watch.
In which case, the decision is made on testimonies, circumstantial evidence, and credibility. In Brands case, the timeline and the number of people who were accusing him and their accounts weighed against being believed..

By your reasoning, Jimmy Saville would have remained a national hero.

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 Exactly.

More raped women  coming through.now.  I guess to get police or anyone to believe back then was hard.  Now Grant will have more time added on if it goes to court.

Syl wrote:

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Magica wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Some women will lie or not be believed, you have already pointed out yourself that he was not found guilty of all the accusations against him.

Like I said before, often in the case of rape, especially historic rape there can be no physical proof., most rapists don't invite an audience to watch.
In which case, the decision is made on testimonies, circumstantial evidence, and credibility. In Brands case, the timeline and the number of people who were accusing him and their accounts, weighed against him being believed..

By your reasoning, Jimmy Saville would have remained a national hero.

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 Exactly.

More raped women  coming through.now.  I guess to get police or anyone to believe back then was hard.  Now Grant will have more time added on if it goes to court.

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 Police often used to give rape victims a hard time if they came forward; and when you think of it, how disgusting is it that till the I990's  a man could legally rape his wife, and spousal battering was treated as a 'domestic'.

When Andy Burnham was Mayor here, he did a lot to help women suffering from male violence, now he is PM he will do more. We still have a long way to go though.

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 Yes we do Syl, but give Burnham his due, he is going to push for more help for rape victims now.  Make sure they can come forward and not be listened to, or  interrogated like it was their fault.